Flat out

Live audio feed from The Spit, South Walney Island, Cumbria, UK

Opening: Friday 30 to Saturday 31 August 2019
Runs: 30 August to 29 September 2019

Lofoten International Arts Festival, Svolvær, NO

Join Soundcamp and other listeners talking about the sounds from the intertidal zone. Contributions by IRC chat and / or email will be printed out in real time on a dot matrix printer in the old printworks at Svolvær. Take part from wherever you are / are not:

1. Go to the IRC Chat (no account setup or password needed; just choose a nickname and confirm you are not a robot)
or
2. Send an image etc as an email attachment to flatout@soundtent.org (please note that your attachment will print, but not the text of the email. For text, go to the Chat)

The Spit

A thin strip of land partly divides the Irish Sea from an expanse of mudflats at Morecambe Bay.

Listen.

While in some ways a remote location, South Walney is joined by a bridge to the town of Barrow-in-Furness. Local features include Europe's largest off-shore windfarm, the highest concentration of nature reserves per capita nationally, internationally significant (RAMSAR) sites for migrating birds, and the fabrication point for the UK's nuclear submarine fleet.

The microphones and streaming equipment are installed at the south end of Walney Island, an area off limits to human visitors to avoid disturbing gulls, seals and shingle flora. The streambox is operated as a collaboration between the Cumbria Wildlife Trust, Full of Noises and Soundcamp. It is part of an open microphone network initiated by Locus Sonus, who make the sounds available on a live soundmap. We welcome new sounds on the network. For approaches and support, go to stream.

The live sounds reflect the flat, exposed location of the streambox and the movement of the sea and sediments over a long tidal run. This is heard as the calls of birds and seals alternately withdrawing and approaching in time with the exposure and covering of the mud. Other sounds that can be heard include: low pitched rumble of wind hitting the microphone capsules; gulls, waders and insects in flight; cattle (mooing, crunching); passing ships; helicopters servicing off-shore rigs; military test flights; seals (sighing, singing)..

Join the discussion.

Credits

Andrew Deakin
Cumbria Wildlife Trust
Full of Noises
LIAF
Locus Sonus
Sarah Dalrymple
Soundcamp
Max Baraitser Smith

Image: The Spit, South Walney by Sam Baraitser Smith.
From a remote screenshot by Dawn Scarfe of the South Walney webcam 2019-05-21 at 15.01.38

Supported by LIAF and Arts Council England

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12:28 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> Can confirm it is very windy at South Walney today
12:32 #flatout: < grant_london> For sure
12:33 #flatout: < grant_london> I was speaking with Andrew by phone as he was adjusting the streambox yesterday -
12:34 #flatout: < grant_london> We wanted to set the levels so in quiet phases something can be heard in the space at Svolvaer
12:34 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> nod
12:34 #flatout: < grant_london> It does mean the signal is clipping in the gusts
12:35 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> it still sounds great though!
12:35 #flatout: < grant_london> I think I understood that most of the breeding birds have left now
12:36 #flatout: < grant_london> I agree
12:36 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> they have, but now we have big wintering flocks building up
12:36 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> we get about 7,000 oystercatchers and 4,000 redshank
12:36 #flatout: < grant_london> I passed you that mail from vismig saying Autumn has begun, so yes: it will be interesting to see if we can hear them
12:36 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> and there are still lots of herring gulls spending winter here
12:37 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> I can hear the occasional gull!
12:37 #flatout: < grant_london> The festival at LIAF has been interested in the intertidal zone
12:37 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> would you like me to see if I have some nice aerial shots of the saltmarsh?
12:37 #flatout: < grant_london> Yes - with the laughing section
12:37 #flatout: < grant_london> That would be great
12:38 #flatout: < grant_london> If you send them to flatout@soundtent.org, they will print out
12:38 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> I'll see what I can find
12:38 #flatout: < grant_london> If you cc contact@soundtent.org, that will help us keep a log of the details
12:38 #flatout: < grant_london> That'd be great
12:39 #flatout: < grant_london> In the space at the printworks in Svolvaer, there are some large works on paper: one shows a bitmapped image of the Spit
12:40 #flatout: < grant_london> the other is a graphic representation of the tidal sequence over the month of the festival - I ll send them
12:42 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> oh nice, can you take a picture for me?
12:42 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> that would be great
12:43 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> I see it - that is really cool
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12:47 #flatout: < grant_london> Ah yes and I see the aerial image of the Spit - thank you
12:48 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> I really like the tidal sequence image! Would I be able to print that out for my wall at home?
12:48 #flatout: < grant_london> There are a couple like this that look like heart or an octopus perhaps
12:49 #flatout: < grant_london> Yes for sure - we were discussing with Glenn that it would be nice to get some images made for you there - let's do it
12:49 #flatout: < grant_london> On on side, the Spit faces the sea and there is the shingle beach
12:50 #flatout: < grant_london> On the landward side, the Spit reaches around sheltering an area of mudflats and salt marsh
12:51 #flatout: < grant_london> I remember it and the image captures it but at the moment it is sort of obliterated by the sound of the wind
12:52 #flatout: < grant_london> or masked
12:53 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> yes
12:53 #flatout: < grant_london> When the wind drops you can hear the surf
12:53 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> let me know if you would like any other images of things to set the scene
12:54 #flatout: < london> dominated by wind hitting the microphone capsules, oscillating back and forth between L and R. a muffled mix of bass rumble and high pitch whispers
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12:57 #flatout: < london> cutting out sometimes on the R channel
12:57 #flatout: < grant_london> the wind is coming from the right
12:58 #flatout: < london> when the wind abates, can hear gulls circling
13:00 #flatout: < grant_london> ah -
13:00 #flatout: < london> and rise and fall of aeolian howling, maybe waves crashing on the shore towards the L side
13:00 #flatout: < london> and now a plane
13:01 #flatout: < grant_london> here is Loughborough Junction there is a long line of planes overflying, so you have to check:
13:01 #flatout: < grant_london> is it there
13:01 #flatout: < grant_london> or here
13:02 #flatout: < london> pretty sure it was over walney
13:02 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
13:02 #flatout: < london> different kind of arc from the ones over hackney
13:02 #flatout: < grant_london> Sarah said there was a Harrier (bird)
13:02 #flatout: < london> hen harrier?
13:03 #flatout: < grant_london> a Marsh harrier - yesterday
13:03 #flatout: < grant_london> at vismig they say autumn has begun
13:03 #flatout: < london> what kind of call does that have?
13:05 #flatout: < grant_london> haha i have no idea i ll check on xenocanto
13:05 #flatout: < london> just checked rspb
13:06 #flatout: < london> that example is a squeak, bit like rubbing a wet finger on glass
13:06 #flatout: < london> would be great to hear one of those between the wind
13:08 #flatout: < london> 40 mph gusts according to x c weather, not sure it's possible to hear the drizzle
13:11 #flatout: < grant_london> I posted a sonogram of a more elaborate call or song of marsh harrier
13:13 #flatout: < grant_london> more like laughter - squeaky
13:15 #flatout: < grant_london> broadband
13:17 #flatout: < london> any way to represent that in characters here?
13:17 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe it should be called modulation - i m not sure
13:17 #flatout: < grant_london> hmm
13:19 #flatout: < london> likely it's a bit complex
13:19 #flatout: < grant_london> Lars Jonsson says the vocalisations are quite varied and elaborate
13:20 #flatout: < grant_london> Apparently there is a display call with 'lapwing-like 'way-oo' calls'
13:20 #flatout: < grant_london> (if they are calls or songs.. ?)
13:21 #flatout: < grant_london> also 'magpie-like 'kyepp epp epp epp'
13:21 #flatout: < london> nice. wonder why the tendency for these elaborations and embellishments in the call
13:22 #flatout: < grant_london> There is drawn-out mewing, high whistles, 'pee-wyuu'
13:22 #flatout: < grant_london> also a 'keesh' and a 'kye ki ki ki' in flight in dialogue between a pair
13:24 #flatout: < grant_london> you mean: why do they make these sounds?
13:25 #flatout: < london> i mean, why do they vary, some more elaborate than others, from the same birds
13:25 #flatout: < london> remember something to do with sexual selection
13:25 #flatout: < london> but was just reading now that climate might have an impact as well
13:26 #flatout: < grant_london> so why, on one occasion, a bird goes: squeak; and on another occasion: it sings a long song?
13:26 #flatout: < london> Climatic Patterns Predict the Elaboration of Song Displays in Mockingbirds Carlos A.Botero
13:27 #flatout: < grant_london> ah i see: so it's more about why 'the song' of the _____ _____ is changing
13:29 #flatout: < grant_london> it s intriguing, perhaps, that there are sounds going on underneath what we are hearing, that are masked by the wind roar
13:29 #flatout: < grant_london> they surface sometimes for short periods like outcrops
13:30 #flatout: < grant_london> or partially submerged objects
13:31 #flatout: < grant_london> perhaps others are absolutely inaudible (as well as invisible)
13:32 #flatout: < grant_london> perhaps the marsh harrier (Circus aeruginosus) is silent, on migration
13:33 #flatout: < grant_london> of perhaps they use a different range of vocalisations entirely
13:34 #flatout: < grant_london> or
13:34 #flatout: < london> wonder what the wind sounds like to a marsh harrier
13:35 #flatout: < london> probably not as much distortion as on the stream
13:36 #flatout: < london> auriculars
13:37 #flatout: < grant_london> 'Of or pertaining to the outer ear, or to something else that is ear-shaped, such as the atrium of the heart' ?
13:39 #flatout: < grant_london> there was a call before - a single short squack type call
13:40 #flatout: < grant_london> i have no idea if it was like a pipit or a wader
13:40 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe Sarah would know
13:40 #flatout: < grant_london> expert knowledge
13:40 #flatout: < london> recap: specialized soft feathers known as auriculars... extend back and down from the eye and serve to protect the ears while also cutting down on wind noise
13:40 #flatout: < grant_london> but those were curlews just now i think
13:40 #flatout: < grant_london> from the saltmarsh behind the spit
13:41 #flatout: < london> can only hear gulls right now
13:42 #flatout: < grant_london> Andrew said yesterday you could lean into the wind
13:44 #flatout: < grant_london> a helicopter?
13:44 #flatout: < grant_london> being sort of chopped up into segments
13:46 #flatout: < london> missed that, tuning in and out
13:47 #flatout: < grant_london> perhaps we need to make another layer of baffling for the microphones
13:48 #flatout: < grant_london> a mesh enclosure - we can think
13:49 #flatout: < grant_london> i hear small tweets and whistles, but they are coming from here in the yard
13:49 #flatout: < grant_london> it s also windy here
13:50 #flatout: < grant_london> with things flying around and unstable
13:50 #flatout: < grant_london> i guess it is the seasons turning
13:51 #flatout: < grant_london> the vismig tweet about harriers was the first from that mailing list since the end of the Spring migration
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14:32 #flatout: < grant_london> there s scraping - i think the wind may be rocking the boulders slightly around the box
14:32 #flatout: < grant_london> how are they made - the howling 'aeolian' sounds?
14:33 #flatout: < grant_london> is it the way the way the wind encounters the mast?
14:33 #flatout: < grant_london> now you can hear the turbines
14:33 #flatout: < london> must be wind eddies around the mast
14:33 #flatout: < grant_london> from the windmills
14:33 #flatout: < london> a sort of medium drone, the turbines?
14:33 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
14:34 #flatout: < grant_london> sometimes smoother, sometimes more churning
14:34 #flatout: < london> sounds a bit like the inside of a factory/reactor
14:34 #flatout: < london> suppose that involves turbines as well
14:34 #flatout: < grant_london> wind factory
14:35 #flatout: < grant_london> it s curious because the wind brings the sound, but also masks it
14:35 #flatout: < london> 3 leves of wind here at least
14:36 #flatout: < grant_london> you seem to hear it in disjunctures
14:36 #flatout: < london> mics, turbines, aeolian sounds, birds been blown about, waves
14:37 #flatout: < grant_london> a borgesian list of sorts
14:37 #flatout: < grant_london> things levelled
14:37 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe
14:39 #flatout: < london> are there wires coming from the mast?
14:39 #flatout: < london> not sure how the aeolian feature would be generated outherwise
14:41 #flatout: < grant_london> or the mast itself - acting as a wire?
14:41 #flatout: < grant_london> Vortices are created in the air downstream of the wire [mast?], alternately above and below the wire at a frequency which depends on the wind speed.
14:42 #flatout: < london> a rattling sometimes
14:42 #flatout: < london> like a metal gate
14:42 #flatout: < grant_london> The frequency f is given by the relation f = Sr u/d
14:42 #flatout: < london> blimey
14:42 #flatout: < grant_london> where u is the wind speed and d is the wire diameter. Sr is a number which is about 0.2 for a circular cylinder and is called the Strouhal number.Source https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-does-wind-produce-sounds.118880/
14:43 #flatout: < london> downstream
14:43 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe the rattle is the steel door to the equipment box
14:43 #flatout: < grant_london> at the base of the mast
14:43 #flatout: < london> whats the sailing term for that
14:43 #flatout: < london> leeside?
14:43 #flatout: < london> leeward
14:44 #flatout: < london> vortices on the leeward side of the mast
14:45 #flatout: < grant_london> the mast has a square cross section, with a side about 120mm (maybe)
14:45 #flatout: < grant_london> of maybe it is like: a little guy wire or something, that is producing it
14:45 #flatout: < grant_london> instead of the mast
14:46 #flatout: < london> the wind is due to calm down a little into the evening
14:46 #flatout: < grant_london> there the wind turbines are suddenly quite prominent, seeming quite solid
14:46 #flatout: < london> by about 10mph
14:47 #flatout: < grant_london> by around 1/3?
14:47 #flatout: < london> turbines seem more prominent to the L to my ears
14:47 #flatout: < grant_london> so quite a big change
14:47 #flatout: < london> yes
14:48 #flatout: < grant_london> i was wondering about this: i hear both surf and turbines off to the right
14:48 #flatout: < grant_london> i think you said you heard it the other way around
14:49 #flatout: < london> hmm yes but now i try to isolate the channels and it is there on the right too. but when i listen in stereo turbines still seem more prominent to the L
14:49 #flatout: < london> where the grate/gate sound comes from as well
14:50 #flatout: < london> knocking
14:50 #flatout: < grant_london> ah very intriguing
14:51 #flatout: < london> and now a plane
14:51 #flatout: < grant_london> so the plane for me is off to the left
14:51 #flatout: < london> me too
14:51 #flatout: < grant_london> moving right
14:51 #flatout: < london> yep
14:52 #flatout: < london> and surf breaking to the right?
14:52 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
14:52 #flatout: < london> birds somwhere in the middle, distant, in the air
14:52 #flatout: < grant_london> and for me the turbines, when they appear, are off to the right and, i would say tentatively, behind
14:53 #flatout: < grant_london> are you listening to the URL directly?
14:53 #flatout: < london> nope, http://soundtent.org/flatout/
14:53 #flatout: < grant_london> i wonder if it makes any difference..
14:53 #flatout: < grant_london> me too
14:54 #flatout: < london> maybe just an interpretation thing
14:54 #flatout: < grant_london> mm
14:54 #flatout: < grant_london> the sound of the turbines is quite eery, for me
14:54 #flatout: < london> turbines seem quite heavily weighted to the L
14:54 #flatout: < grant_london> the way it alternates between like: quite close; and absent
14:55 #flatout: < london> strangely, reminds me of something quite specific
14:55 #flatout: < grant_london> for me this to the right
14:55 #flatout: < london> a video i saw about the inside of hartlepool reactor
14:55 #flatout: < london> seems really similar in pitch and texture
14:55 #flatout: < london> i wen to the vid as my dad used to work there
14:55 #flatout: < london> *went
14:55 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe if it's behind, its location is less well defined
14:56 #flatout: < grant_london> ah - so perhaps a turbine again?
14:56 #flatout: < london> there was always something a bit scary about him working at a reactor
14:56 #flatout: < london> it was the 80s tho
14:56 #flatout: < grant_london> i guess this very old thing of translating linear force into rotational
14:57 #flatout: < grant_london> but also some kind of translation from organic to mechanical
14:57 #flatout: < london> yes, all motors
14:57 #flatout: < london> strange that ripping sound to the right
14:57 #flatout: < london> pebbles on the shoreline
14:57 #flatout: < grant_london> the blades of the windmills themselves produce a rushing sound with doppler
14:58 #flatout: < grant_london> ah yes
14:58 #flatout: < grant_london> i thought before perhaps a boulder rocking
14:58 #flatout: < grant_london> or shifting
14:59 #flatout: < london> sounds higher up, in terms of altitude, that ripping sound that comes in
15:00 #flatout: < grant_london> i got caught in a conversation- let me listen more closely
15:00 #flatout: < london> only happens occasionally
15:01 #flatout: < london> but the turbine drone also seems lower down than is should be
15:02 #flatout: < grant_london> lower in space?
15:02 #flatout: < london> yeah
15:02 #flatout: < grant_london> they are along way away
15:02 #flatout: < london> and fairly close, compared to the bird calls
15:02 #flatout: < grant_london> that s the weird thing - for me
15:02 #flatout: < london> i know, it doesn't make sense
15:02 #flatout: < grant_london> the way they suddenly appear right up close
15:03 #flatout: < grant_london> like uh don quixote
15:03 #flatout: < grant_london> and with patterns of delay
15:03 #flatout: < grant_london> like starlight
15:03 #flatout: < london> seems to be two dominant pitches
15:04 #flatout: < grant_london> sounds from the turbines from a while ago that suddenly appear in a clump
15:04 #flatout: < grant_london> quite vivid and close to hand
15:04 #flatout: < grant_london> could it be the turbines and the blades?
15:05 #flatout: < london> E and C
15:05 #flatout: < london> alternates between these
15:06 #flatout: < grant_london> or two components of the turbines - 2 harmonics
15:06 #flatout: < grant_london> also for me now the location has shifted to the left
15:06 #flatout: < grant_london> seems to move like a migraine
15:06 #flatout: < grant_london> fugitive!
15:07 #flatout: < london> tuning out for a short while now
15:07 #flatout: < grant_london> ok sure - c u l
15:07 #flatout: < grant_london> it s tiring
15:07 #flatout: < grant_london> the wind
15:54 #flatout: < grant_london> the wind's gone down a bit - maybe
15:54 #flatout: < grant_london> distant waders - very high and clear - and thin - and sparse
15:55 #flatout: < grant_london> little incisions
15:57 #flatout: < grant_london> or chippings in the volume of the sound field - upper right - now gone
16:06 #flatout: < grant_london> the seal cam at Walney is shaking in the wind: https://www.cumbriawildlifetrust.org.uk/wildlife/cams/seal-cam
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17:01 #flatout: < grant_london> the tide brings the seabirds closer
17:02 #flatout: < grant_london> starting to hear waders along the edge of the water as the exposed area in the intertidal zone contracts
17:05 #flatout: < grant_london> Walney is a long strip. Depending on the state of the tide, it can be thinner or thicker
17:05 #flatout: < grant_london> Sounds from where the land and sea meet further away or, as now, come closer
17:06 #flatout: < london> wind turbines seem more to the right now
17:06 #flatout: < grant_london> The borders of the land itself are inddeterminate
17:06 #flatout: < grant_london> The wind turbines shift mysteriously in the sound field
17:07 #flatout: < london> wind still ssw direction
17:08 #flatout: < grant_london> The edge oscillates, as in the graphic on the wall by SBS - it's jittery
17:08 #flatout: < london> sounds like it has changed direction tho
17:08 #flatout: < grant_london> The wind went down for a while
17:08 #flatout: < grant_london> then it picked back up
17:09 #flatout: < grant_london> There are passages of activity from along the shoreline
17:09 #flatout: < london> thought i heard curlews a moment ago
17:10 #flatout: < grant_london> And redshanks (Tringa totanus)
17:11 #flatout: < london> not sure about the edge
17:11 #flatout: < london> pretty soft edge if there is one
17:12 #flatout: < london> like trying to find the edge of a fog
17:13 #flatout: < london> the field seems too indistinct
17:15 #flatout: < london> it seems like the mics are matched to the headphones, but the sound spills out around and between the ears
17:16 #flatout: < grant_london> i guess the edge is an emulsion, also
17:16 #flatout: < london> the notion of a landscape somewhere in that space
17:16 #flatout: < grant_london> Also it differs drastically between maps and charts
17:16 #flatout: < london> but also outside
17:17 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
17:18 #flatout: < london> this notion of the space, does it have colours, or a sense of light and dark?
17:20 #flatout: < grant_london> when we were working on the graphic, we ended up with greys
17:20 #flatout: < london> when i hear a bird, i don't really picture the bird
17:20 #flatout: < grant_london> composed of black and white
17:20 #flatout: < london> its more the idea of a bird as a kind of abstract small shape, which moves with the sound
17:20 #flatout: < london> seems mostly monochrome
17:21 #flatout: < london> not sure if a tropical environment would be any different
17:21 #flatout: < grant_london> the images are bitmapped, so the boundaries do not resolve on closer inspection:
17:21 #flatout: < grant_london> they become more uncertain
17:21 #flatout: < london> in terms of colours
17:21 #flatout: < grant_london> nebulous, like you say
17:21 #flatout: < grant_london> we tried colors..
17:22 #flatout: < london> but the droney sounds are more like a trace of charcoal
17:22 #flatout: < grant_london> texture seems good, for translating
17:23 #flatout: < london> a texture rather than a shape
17:23 #flatout: < grant_london> colour doesn't seem so helpful, for me at least
17:23 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - accumulations of textures
17:23 #flatout: < grant_london> gradations that could be figures
17:23 #flatout: < london> was just curious if we were listening to a jungle, if that would seem somehow more vibrant
17:23 #flatout: < grant_london> or not
17:23 #flatout: < london> rather than greyscale
17:24 #flatout: < grant_london> the bitmapping revealed curious patterns in the screengrab that you made, which we started with
17:24 #flatout: < grant_london> so in a jungle you would have something thicker, right? because not exposed like this
17:24 #flatout: < london> "bitmap is a type of memory organization"
17:25 #flatout: < grant_london> resonance, reverberation - you're contained
17:25 #flatout: < london> yes definitely more resonance
17:25 #flatout: < grant_london> light bouncing around too - filtering through things
17:25 #flatout: < london> clearer sense of altitude maybe
17:25 #flatout: < london> rather than a long scape
17:26 #flatout: < london> such as you get with a shoreline
17:27 #flatout: < grant_london> this always feels stretched out, kind of thin and yes: communicating with distance
17:27 #flatout: < grant_london> whereas in a forest,
17:29 #flatout: < london> might have to tune back in in a bit to see where this is going
17:30 #flatout: < grant_london> some kind of doubling of the figure of remoteness with the soundscape itself, perhaps
17:30 #flatout: < grant_london> within
17:31 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe
17:35 #flatout: < grant_london> when a boulder shifts, on the plinth where the streambox is sitting, this seems like a radically different sound - corresponding to a different order of things
17:35 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe some of that sound is coming directly through the box, rather than through the air
17:36 #flatout: < grant_london> a siren
17:36 #flatout: < grant_london> an ambulance on coldharbour lane
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19:28 #flatout: < london> still windy but not as intense as this morning/afternoon
19:29 #flatout: < grant_london> the tide is out
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19:31 #flatout: < london> is the exhibition space still open?
19:31 #flatout: < grant_london> its not clipping so much
19:32 #flatout: < grant_london> i don t know actually
19:32 #flatout: < london> wondered why flatout may have left briefly before
19:32 #flatout: < grant_london> ah i didn't notice that
19:33 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe a network thing, or maybe it got turned off by mistake..
19:33 #flatout: < grant_london> something like that?
19:33 #flatout: < london> likely
19:33 #flatout: < grant_london> i m quite liking these levels - the clipping is tiresome
19:33 #flatout: < london> there seems to be a bit more of a buildup to the wind hitting the mics
19:34 #flatout: < grant_london> Glenn thinks the weather will be calmer tomorrow
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19:34 #flatout: < london> hi maria
19:34 #flatout: < Maria_London> Hello
19:34 #flatout: < grant_london> hello
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19:34 #flatout: < london> hi sarah
19:34 #flatout: < grant_london> hi Sarah
19:35 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> hi again!
19:35 #flatout: < london> have you heard that harrier today?
19:35 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> still very blowy here
19:35 #flatout: < london> yes
19:35 #flatout: < london> seems to have calmed down a little since this morning
19:36 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> There was a marsh harrier seen yesterday, I don't think they would make any noise calling overhead if htey were just passing though
19:36 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> unforutnately
19:36 #flatout: < london> ah so it was probably en route to somewhere else?
19:36 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> yes, they will be migrating
19:36 #flatout: < london> where to?
19:37 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> good question! it's a bird of big wetland reedbeds and marshes, rather than the saltmarsh we have here, so they aren't commonly found here
19:38 #flatout: < london> i see
19:38 #flatout: < london> birds are pretty quiet now
19:38 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> I am wrong, a quick bit of research and they're resident in North West England all year round, so I suggest this might be one moving from breeding grounds to somewhere nearby, or a young one looking for new space
19:38 #flatout: < london> seemed a little more active in the afternoon
19:38 #flatout: < Maria_London> diverse(different kinds of austere sounds)+ intense wind movement this afternoon! from left to right ear_ now it is stuck to the right, a battle to fight back
19:38 #flatout: < grant_london> ah I see
19:39 #flatout: < grant_london> Vismig posted on seeing 3 marsh harriers, so they must also consider them as migrants - perhaps locally
19:39 #flatout: < london> wondering if the birds are generally less active into the evening
19:39 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> it's low tide right now, so birds will be out on the bay
19:39 #flatout: < london> around this tim
19:39 #flatout: < london> *time, sorry
19:39 #flatout: < london> got it- thanks sarah
19:40 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> gulls are less active at night, but I believe the waders will go out to feed at low tide no matter what time it is
19:40 #flatout: < grant_london> there was a period around noon when you could hear waders along the shoreline, even over the wind
19:41 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> yes! high tide was at midday today, and we're on spring tides so it was quite high
19:41 #flatout: < grant_london> the next high tide is a little after midnight i think
19:41 #flatout: < london> sounded pretty rough too
19:41 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> don't forget we also have the sealcam at the location of the microphone, if anyone is interested https://www.cumbriawildlifetrust.org.uk/wildlife/cams/seal-cam
19:41 #flatout: < london> the waves
19:41 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> it's well choppy out there!
19:41 #flatout: < grant_london> the seal cam is moving about quite a bit
19:42 #flatout: < london> yes, are there pups at this time of year?
19:42 #flatout: < grant_london> a bit like that film about the herring fisheries..
19:43 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> yes it blows in the wind and is zoomed in on the seals! We expect the first pups in October, Grey Seals pup in winter
19:43 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> Mum spends all summer feeding up, so when she has the pup she can feed them milk that's about 75% fat
19:43 #flatout: < grant_london> Andrew said the seal colony had shifted - perhaps to the East - to the left of the frame?
19:44 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> the seal colony have been hauling out at the tip of the spit, they tend to come back round to the eastern side of the spit when they have pups
19:45 #flatout: < grant_london> ah i see
19:45 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> I can move the camera after this cup of tea if you like, if a wider view would be interesting
19:46 #flatout: < london> that could be nice, thanks
19:47 #flatout: < london> are there any sounds that you associate specifically with this time of year on the reserve?
19:47 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> Curlew calls become more common, that is an evocative sound
19:48 #flatout: < london> i think i might have heard some a minute ago
19:48 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> as waterfowl numbers start to build, the noises of hundreds of teal and wigeon is always in the background too
19:48 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> we call wigeon "whistlin' wigeon"
19:48 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> but that would be further up the reserve, on the ponds away from this microphone
19:48 #flatout: < london> sounds like a character in a western
19:48 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> ha yes!
19:50 #flatout: < grant_london> the streambox could be moved up to 90m now from the plinth
19:50 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> here's a nice wigeon whistly https://www.xeno-canto.org/447852
19:50 #flatout: < grant_london> so we could consider it there is somewhere else we d like to put it..
19:50 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> yes we were talking about that! once the pups arrive in a few months, the colony will settle in one place a bit more and we could potentially move the mike closer to them
19:51 #flatout: < grant_london> thanks for the wigeon sonagram - you can see the whistle shape very clearly
19:51 #flatout: < london> interesting wigeon, not sure i've heard one on the stream yet
19:52 #flatout: < grant_london> you might have heard them when you were there - up on the lake
19:52 #flatout: < london> perhaps, that was a while ago tho
19:53 #flatout: < grant_london> well, i don't think you would forget a wigeon
19:53 #flatout: < london> i might
19:53 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> certainly not! they're very pretty little ducks, they've only just started to arrive this
19:53 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> started to arrive this week
19:53 #flatout: < london> ah so maybe they hadn't arrived, i was there aug
19:54 #flatout: < grant_london> ah that will be it
19:54 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> Teal is another nice duck with a bit of a whistle https://www.xeno-canto.org/species/Anas-crecca
19:55 #flatout: < grant_london> yes! these ducks that don't quack are..
19:55 #flatout: < grant_london> nice
19:56 #flatout: < london> zuit
19:56 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> I think mallards might be the only ones that "quack" - I could be wrong though!
19:56 #flatout: < SWalneyWarden> ok I will just put IRC on my phone and go play with the camera...
19:56 #flatout: < grant_london> actually most ducks don't quack - exactly
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19:58 #flatout: < london> widgeon a bit more wee-oo
19:59 #flatout: < london> masters of the quirky quack maybe the eider
19:59 #flatout: < grant_london> you moved it!
20:00 #flatout: < grant_london> zoom and pan
20:00 #flatout: < grant_london> what about the godard
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20:01 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> The camera needs a clean! there'a lot of saltspray on it
20:01 #flatout: < london> how would you write that- godard call
20:01 #flatout: < grant_london> i m not surprised!
20:03 #flatout: < grant_london> you can hear why the vegetation is low
20:03 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> yes (almost) no trees on Walney!
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20:03 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> my weather station recorded highest wind speed of 14.5m/s today
20:03 #flatout: < grant_london> an insect! in the left channel
20:04 #flatout: < grant_london> we ve been listening to it for quite long periods
20:04 #flatout: < grant_london> occasionally you can hear the bounders shift which Andrew piled up on the plinth
20:04 #flatout: < grant_london> to hold down the streabox
20:04 #flatout: < grant_london> m
20:04 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> oh wow! that's cool
20:05 #flatout: < london> xc weather said gusts of around 40mph
20:05 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> oh the forecast is to be even windier tomorrow!
20:06 #flatout: < grant_london> Glenn must have had his weather app set to Barcelona
20:06 #flatout: < grant_london> he said it was going to be calm
20:06 #flatout: < grant_london> that was the word he used: calm
20:06 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> oh Glenn
20:07 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> definitely not calm out there!
20:07 #flatout: < grant_london> i feel sort of punch drunk just sitting here listening to it
20:07 #flatout: < gboulter> sorry :) got that completely the wrong way round
20:07 #flatout: < grant_london> the man himself
20:07 #flatout: < grant_london> we were talking about godard calls
20:08 #flatout: < grant_london> if they quack or whistle
20:08 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> what is a godard?
20:08 #flatout: < grant_london> i thought you would know
20:08 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> describe it?
20:08 #flatout: < london> foie gras
20:08 #flatout: < grant_london> Sarah was doing some camerawork, which reminded me
20:08 #flatout: < london> ah
20:08 #flatout: < london> no duck involved
20:08 #flatout: < london> sounds like it should be a duck
20:09 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> foie gras is domestic geese or ducks
20:09 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> domestic ducks are descended from Mallards, and do indeed quack
20:09 #flatout: < grant_london> the film director - Glenn and I were talking about a film of his recently
20:09 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> ahh I see!!
20:09 #flatout: < gboulter> a godard would probably make an enigmatic whispering type call...
20:09 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> haha
20:09 #flatout: < london> when i googled godard duck foie gras came up
20:09 #flatout: < grant_london> a puerile remark really - it's the wind
20:09 #flatout: < grant_london> you what?
20:09 #flatout: < london> true glenn
20:10 #flatout: < grant_london> you googled godard duck?!
20:10 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> to be fair I just did too
20:10 #flatout: < grant_london> and you got foie gras
20:10 #flatout: < grant_london> did you both get it?
20:10 #flatout: < london> to be fair it was a little off topic if just listening to the stream
20:10 #flatout: < london> not watching the cam
20:10 #flatout: < grant_london> we re wandering a little
20:11 #flatout: < london> effect of listening for a long time maybe
20:11 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> I imagine the cows will be along at some point in the next few days
20:11 #flatout: < london> https://www.foie-gras-godard.eu/
20:12 #flatout: < london> yes i hadn't heard any cows
20:12 #flatout: < london> i'd never seen a cow swim till i went to walney
20:12 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> they range over the reserve and the next field, so about 200ha / 500 acres
20:13 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> I surprised someone by telling them that rabbits swim
20:13 #flatout: < grant_london> its surprising - is it true?
20:14 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> yes!
20:14 #flatout: < london> foxes also
20:14 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> yes they do!
20:14 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> foxes won't put their heads under water, so you can float a rope around an island to keep foxes off
20:14 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> I am told
20:14 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> I'm not convinced
20:14 #flatout: < london> pretty wiley those foxes
20:16 #flatout: < grant_london> the turbines are in the left channel for me atm
20:17 #flatout: < grant_london> upper left
20:17 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> I'm going to head off now, but I'll try and come back for high tide tomorrow afternoonn
20:17 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> high tide is 12:47 tomorrow
20:17 #flatout: < london> nice thanks sarah
20:17 #flatout: < grant_london> ok nice - thanks Sarah - till soon
20:17 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> no problem! I enjoy it
20:17 #flatout: < SwalneyWarden> see you soon
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20:17 #flatout: < gboulter> Thanks Sarah
20:18 #flatout: < gboulter> I'm hearing more in the right channel - do we think that's the one pointing more out towards the windfarm?
20:19 #flatout: < grant_london> I thought so, and that's where I as hearing them before
20:19 #flatout: < grant_london> But Dawn was hearing them in the L
20:19 #flatout: < london> in the r now for me too
20:19 #flatout: < london> seems to move about
20:19 #flatout: < grant_london> and then it seemed the location was not stable at all
20:19 #flatout: < grant_london> or the same, among us
20:20 #flatout: < london> can't hear that aeolian sound anymore
20:20 #flatout: < gboulter> Also hearing water in the right channel. Stereo image is really clear with the new box
20:20 #flatout: < grant_london> Yes i also hear water - I think
20:21 #flatout: < london> yes i think the old box made more of a sound itself
20:21 #flatout: < london> as well
20:21 #flatout: < grant_london> we were talking before about how the sounds come in packets, sometimes with delay
20:21 #flatout: < grant_london> it did - it made a hissing sound - this one should be much better - bit hard to tell atm
20:21 #flatout: < london> packets....
20:22 #flatout: < london> the casing also seemed to catch the wind
20:22 #flatout: < london> whereas this one more transparent
20:23 #flatout: < grant_london> i get this sense that, when you get a lull, you sometimes get a packet of sound that is reaching you with delay and that you hear in the lull
20:24 #flatout: < grant_london> as if different packets of sound or sound events are reaching the microphones via different routes, perhaps on different airstreams, then then being lined up with a bit of slippage
20:24 #flatout: < grant_london> so what you are hearing is not quite linear -
20:24 #flatout: < london> hmmmm
20:25 #flatout: < london> so how is that working, at the point the data is sent over the stream?
20:25 #flatout: < grant_london> and maybe some bits are reaching you before others, when the source was later
20:25 #flatout: < grant_london> no! i mean in the landscape
20:26 #flatout: < grant_london> it might just be complex effects of masking and unmasking
20:26 #flatout: < london> packets seems a bit tidy
20:26 #flatout: < grant_london> i tried clumps before
20:26 #flatout: < grant_london> packets sounds pretty digital it s true
20:27 #flatout: < london> clumps also sounds quite tidy
20:27 #flatout: < grant_london> so do you think that could be true? that you could get some sounds that get picked up on a long swirling current, like a cyclonic system, and you hear them much later
20:27 #flatout: < grant_london> than expected
20:27 #flatout: < grant_london> like starlight
20:28 #flatout: < grant_london> you know that Marconi thing..
20:28 #flatout: < london> well, distance comes into it obvs
20:28 #flatout: < grant_london> that sounds would propagate indefinitley
20:28 #flatout: < london> but spilling out all the while
20:28 #flatout: < london> not like a beam of light
20:29 #flatout: < grant_london> so perhaps some sounds get kind of snatched up like frogs
20:29 #flatout: < grant_london> you know that get flash frozen?
20:29 #flatout: < grant_london> and then they fall as hail
20:30 #flatout: < london> hadn't heard about raining frogs
20:31 #flatout: < grant_london> in the same way, say, sounds from the turbines reach us at different rates and we just casually re assemble them as if they are in order - but some of them are of older origin than others
20:31 #flatout: < london> not sure about that, maybe
20:31 #flatout: < grant_london> a kind of micro archaeology along the vertical axis
20:31 #flatout: < grant_london> sounds tenuous i agree - but the frogs it true - it s well attested
20:32 #flatout: < gboulter> got to dash - back a bit later on!
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20:32 #flatout: < grant_london> for sure - see you Glenn!
20:32 #flatout: < london> bye
20:32 #flatout: < grant_london> i can smell crumble
20:33 #flatout: < london> maybe if the wind suddenly changes direction that could have an impact on the time of arrival
20:33 #flatout: < london> go crumble
20:33 #flatout: < grant_london> yes yes i think so
20:33 #flatout: < grant_london> so maybe the location of the turbines also..
20:33 #flatout: < grant_london> so the whole assemblage could be more fluid than we imagine
20:34 #flatout: < london> definitely a fluid field
20:34 #flatout: < grant_london> for sure
20:34 #flatout: < london> why water ish metaphors maybe more fitting
20:35 #flatout: < grant_london> ah yes i see - rather than clump or packet -
20:35 #flatout: < london> currents
20:35 #flatout: < london> or something
20:35 #flatout: < grant_london> but does that sound like the medium that carries the signal..
20:35 #flatout: < grant_london> signal as vessel sort of
20:36 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe it s about events
20:36 #flatout: < london> you can have multiple currents in a fluid field
20:36 #flatout: < grant_london> for sure
20:36 #flatout: < grant_london> moving at different rates
20:37 #flatout: < grant_london> like that thing we were talking about:
20:38 #flatout: < grant_london> Kármán vortex streets
20:38 #flatout: < grant_london> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n_vortex_street
20:38 #flatout: < grant_london> fluid dynamics
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20:39 #flatout: < grant_london> the sounds swirl around and they do not reach you in an organised way
20:39 #flatout: < london> nice animation
20:39 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
20:39 #flatout: < grant_london> so is that what is happening on the lee side of the mast - perhaps?
20:40 #flatout: < grant_london> what is that?
20:40 #flatout: < london> what
20:40 #flatout: < grant_london> like a skidding sound?
20:40 #flatout: < london> only caught a hint of it
20:40 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - a hint of skidding - when the wind is high
20:40 #flatout: < london> sounded like a small pebble skipping
20:41 #flatout: < grant_london> ah - or a bag or something - that has blown up?
20:41 #flatout: < grant_london> ah the skpping i think i can hear - like tiny clicks?
20:42 #flatout: < grant_london> i should do family crumble
20:42 #flatout: < london> not sure, but now you mention it, sounds like a plastic bag blowing around the r side
20:42 #flatout: < grant_london> if you hear cows swimming, message me!
20:43 #flatout: < london> will do, enjoy crumble
20:43 #flatout: < grant_london> it does sound like a bag perhaps
20:43 #flatout: < london> foie gras crumble
20:43 #flatout: < grant_london> eventlless listening eh - full of drama
20:44 #flatout: < grant_london> peace - no geese were injured - this is apple crumble
20:44 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe the odd codling moth
20:44 #flatout: < grant_london> did you hear the stone shift?
20:45 #flatout: < grant_london> on that note.. c u l
20:45 #flatout: < london> see you later
20:46 #flatout: < london> mooing
20:46 #flatout: < london> thought i heard a cow
20:46 #flatout: < london> before
20:46 #flatout: < london> definitely now, closer to the mic
20:47 #flatout: < london> mooing again
20:51 #flatout: < london> sounds like gate rattling in the r channel now, was l previously
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23:19 #flatout: < grant_london> it s dark
23:19 #flatout: < grant_london> still windy
23:21 #flatout: < grant_london> you can hear the sea again
23:22 #flatout: < grant_london> the wind masks and unmasks the sound of the sea
23:23 #flatout: < grant_london> close to hand, from time to time the wind disturbs one of these rounded, worn pebbles or boulders which have been placed by the streambox
23:24 #flatout: < grant_london> between the area where the sea is breaking and here close to hand where the microphones are situated:
23:25 #flatout: < grant_london> this is the zone which we are asked to consider - to imagine, to intuit, in some sense to enter
23:26 #flatout: < grant_london> how
23:28 #flatout: < grant_london> there is also the distance that separates you from there - which opens when you open the stream
23:29 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe the potential opens when the stream is set up and installed and then, it is opened when the stream is opened, the way you open a book
23:30 #flatout: < grant_london> the stream waits to be opened
23:36 #flatout: < grant_london> it s a little under 2 hours until high tide
23:44 #flatout: < grant_london> 'It is true that the approach of the water brings activity; but we can also tune to the indefine, the intermediate distance (arrière-pays).'



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01:09 #flatout: < london_again> still very windy
01:09 #flatout: < london_again> waves crashing all around
01:09 #flatout: < london_again> waves sound very dramatic, large and angry
01:10 #flatout: < london_again> surprising amount of bird calls
01:10 #flatout: < london_again> curlews
01:12 #flatout: < london_again> roaring waves again
01:14 #flatout: < london_again> seal cam is quite interesting now as well
01:14 #flatout: < london_again> pixels rearranging themselves
01:21 #flatout: < london_again> every three seconds or so it resets
01:22 #flatout: < london_again> a digital eye trying to make sense of a night sky full of stars
01:22 #flatout: < london_again> just static
01:22 #flatout: < london_again> waves really dumping on the shore
01:22 #flatout: < london_again> fierce wind
01:23 #flatout: < london_again> chattering curlews between the wind
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10:22 #flatout: < london> wind has changed direction slightly
10:25 #flatout: < london> from ssw to w
10:35 #flatout: < london> surprising that there's less bird vocalisations now than around midnight last night
10:36 #flatout: < london> maybe they're masked by the wind. a fair bit of clipping happening this morning.
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11:31 #flatout: < Juan28> www.facebook.com/VisitWalney
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11:48 #flatout: < london> tide still has a bit of rising to do
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11:50 #flatout: < london> high tide at around 12:45
11:50 #flatout: < london> 9.7m
11:57 #flatout: < london> kittiwakes
12:09 #flatout: < grant_london> the bird calls articulate the space, it seems
12:09 #flatout: < grant_london> so even for somebody who is not so into birds..
12:09 #flatout: < grant_london> they have this role
12:10 #flatout: < grant_london> perhaps like the late braque paintings
12:10 #flatout: < grant_london> where birds appear
12:10 #flatout: < grant_london> they create a kind of acoustic wireframe maybe
12:11 #flatout: < grant_london> braque had a friend who ran a bird station in the Camargue, maybe
12:11 #flatout: < grant_london> and went down there to do research or some kind
12:13 #flatout: < grant_london> of
12:14 #flatout: < grant_london> we were talking about flows
12:15 #flatout: < grant_london> as if sound coud reach the microphones by different routes on different currents of air
12:15 #flatout: < grant_london> so what you are hearing could me more or less in sequence with the order of their propagation
12:16 #flatout: < grant_london> in some cases the overall 'soundscape' could be more organised
12:16 #flatout: < grant_london> at others it might be less coherent - is that a surfing term? for talking about waves?
12:18 #flatout: < grant_london> probably we will not be able to locate a marsh harrier by ear, as they are migrating locally and could be silent (as Sarah D was saying)
12:18 #flatout: < grant_london> something that could be done it to identify gulls
12:19 #flatout: < grant_london> i didn t hear the kittiwake earlier
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12:21 #flatout: < grant_london> we could tell Herring gulls for Caspian gulls
12:21 #flatout: < grant_london> from
12:21 #flatout: < grant_london> or Lesser Black-backed
12:22 #flatout: < grant_london> sometimes the turbines of the wind mills - if that's what they are - sound smooth
12:22 #flatout: < grant_london> at other times almost gravelly
12:25 #flatout: < grant_london> in these open fields, the appearance of a moving object - some being - tends to act like a fulcrum point: it commands your attention
12:26 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe though, in the intertidal zone, we are invited to unlearn this tendency to fixate, to locate
12:26 #flatout: < grant_london> cleanse the mind!
12:27 #flatout: < grant_london> the intertidal zone could be like a petri dish for flat ontologies!
12:28 #flatout: < grant_london> where hierarchies are unpicked, flattened, submerged
12:29 #flatout: < grant_london> and the multiple channels receive equal weighting - whatever they may be
12:30 #flatout: < grant_london> including, maybe especially interestingly, the masked and occluded channels that underlie the audible currents
12:30 #flatout: < grant_london> the undercurrents
12:31 #flatout: < london> when it comes to writing tho, emphasis seems to be on what can be put into words
12:31 #flatout: < grant_london> wll there is some attempt, perhaps, via the indefine, to imagine a pre linguistic moment
12:32 #flatout: < london> i mean the kind of things we have been writing
12:32 #flatout: < grant_london> before, as it were, a fall in to language
12:33 #flatout: < grant_london> well IRC
12:33 #flatout: < grant_london> i m not sure how else..
12:35 #flatout: < grant_london> perhaps what you were doing before - to use characters to evoke sounds in a non semantic way
12:35 #flatout: < london> the texture of this sound seems a lot to do with the nature of the foamy and furry wind protection at the minute
12:35 #flatout: < grant_london> a non verbal notation
12:36 #flatout: < london> that has its limitations also i guess
12:36 #flatout: < grant_london> which is intriguing - because 'on the bench' those materials are 'acoustically transparent'
12:37 #flatout: < london> they sound cosy
12:37 #flatout: < london> in this high wind
12:37 #flatout: < grant_london> and yet 'in the field' they become active consituents
12:38 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
12:39 #flatout: < london> the box also seems to be making a sound today
12:39 #flatout: < grant_london> although is some of that to do with the way it kind of tires and numbs the hearer
12:39 #flatout: < grant_london> the same on planes
12:39 #flatout: < grant_london> where there are not mics or windscreens
12:39 #flatout: < grant_london> i think the sound is a stone rocking
12:39 #flatout: < grant_london> on the plinth by the streambox
12:40 #flatout: < grant_london> in the high wind
12:40 #flatout: < grant_london> one of those boulders that lie around the beach
12:41 #flatout: < grant_london> which Andrew used to stabilize the streambox and create a partial windscreen I think, when he was working on it on Thursday evening
12:41 #flatout: < london> more of an F drone, dropping to E sometimes
12:41 #flatout: < london> different to the windfarm drone
12:41 #flatout: < london> a bit like a panpipe sometimes
12:41 #flatout: < grant_london> I suddenly got a big rush of like high pitched whitish sound from the right - did you get that?
12:42 #flatout: < grant_london> let me try to listen
12:42 #flatout: < london> not sure, a few of those whitish sounds going on on the right
12:42 #flatout: < grant_london> clunking lower left as a kind of anchor point
12:42 #flatout: < grant_london> they come in what i call clumps
12:43 #flatout: < grant_london> the gulls sounds remain kind of exciting
12:43 #flatout: < grant_london> even though familiar
12:43 #flatout: < grant_london> i don't know why
12:43 #flatout: < london> panpipe sounds tend to come after the mic foamy sound in the same rhythm
12:43 #flatout: < grant_london> that weird comment by the Tinbergen about herring gulls having the most beautiful song of all birds
12:44 #flatout: < grant_london> so these panpiples are not distant birds right?
12:44 #flatout: < london> nope
12:44 #flatout: < london> to do with the box
12:45 #flatout: < grant_london> hm i will try to identify them..
12:45 #flatout: < grant_london> i can't really hear a recognizable self-noise of the streambox tbh
12:46 #flatout: < grant_london> lots of waders
12:46 #flatout: < london> i suppose its quite subtle but pretty constant
12:46 #flatout: < grant_london> like collective twittering and piping
12:46 #flatout: < grant_london> ok
12:46 #flatout: < london> similar in character to the wind farm drone
12:46 #flatout: < london> funny the walney bird reports don't mention the gulls
12:47 #flatout: < london> yesterday morning for example
12:47 #flatout: < grant_london> ah - so how does the streambox make such a sound
12:47 #flatout: < london> OffshoreThe sea was more productive than of late with early morning observations on the rising tide (0700-0900) producing 675 Common Scoter, 115 Gannet, 37 Manx Shearwater, 23 Sandwich Tern, 3 Razorbill, 2 Arctic Skua and single Arctic Skua, Kittiwake, Fulmar, Arctic Tern and Red-throated Diver.Grounded MigrantsGrounded migrants were limited to 2 W
12:47 #flatout: < london> heatear and single Lesser Whitethroat and Whitethroat.Wildfowl and WadersThree Shoveler were amongst 58 Teal and waders included 1000 Redshank, 21 Greenshank, 10 Black-tailed Godwit and 2 Whimbrel.MiscellaneousA total of 32 Little Egret were the best of the rest.
12:47 #flatout: < london> re: box, the wind getting into the casing somehow
12:47 #flatout: < london> small gaps
12:48 #flatout: < grant_london> ah
12:48 #flatout: < london> 29th August 2019 – sunny spells SW4/5/6
12:48 #flatout: < grant_london> i would say if having to guess that it is something different
12:49 #flatout: < grant_london> self-noise of some kind probably as you say
12:49 #flatout: < london> definitely wind related
12:49 #flatout: < london> and close to the mics
12:49 #flatout: < grant_london> for sure
12:49 #flatout: < grant_london> but the microphone installation.. i don't see how wind entering the box would register as sound.. not sure -
12:51 #flatout: < grant_london> in any case what we are hearing is full of artefacts of the installation
12:51 #flatout: < grant_london> like the foam
12:52 #flatout: < london> if the box itself makes a sound, this would be detected by the mics
12:52 #flatout: < grant_london> without the foam and the synthetic we would just have clipping
12:52 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
12:52 #flatout: < london> like blowing over the top of a bottle
12:53 #flatout: < london> kind of
12:53 #flatout: < london> small gap over something hollow
12:53 #flatout: < grant_london> is it more prominent in one channel?
12:54 #flatout: < grant_london> it s interesting the way we are drawn to kind of: imperfections in the notional transparency of the equipment
12:54 #flatout: < london> funny i can't hear it when i listen only to the l or r
12:55 #flatout: < london> but its pretty constant in stereo
12:55 #flatout: < london> extreme conditions
12:55 #flatout: < london> not so useful for bird id
12:56 #flatout: < grant_london> these occasional lulls
12:56 #flatout: < grant_london> like drops
12:56 #flatout: < grant_london> very nice!
12:58 #flatout: < grant_london> and the windmills which you keep forgetting and then they come back as a surprise
12:58 #flatout: < grant_london> there are elements of suprise
12:58 #flatout: < grant_london> r
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12:59 #flatout: < grant_london> the intertidal zone promises surprises..
12:59 #flatout: < grant_london> and flatout has gone
12:59 #flatout: < grant_london> and is back
13:00 #flatout: < grant_london> and it does deliver surprises, perhaps,
13:00 #flatout: < london> you just missed the cows at crumble time
13:00 #flatout: < grant_london> within a quite stringent economy
13:00 #flatout: < london> think we are around high tide atm if the forecast is right
13:01 #flatout: < grant_london> i saw you heard them - then i logged on again after and i caught a moo or two - then no more
13:02 #flatout: < grant_london> where did the bird spotting reports come from?
13:02 #flatout: < grant_london> there seem to be a lot of birds on the water..
13:03 #flatout: < grant_london> and in the IZ
13:04 #flatout: < grant_london> a lot of sightings - maybe the wind bringing them
13:06 #flatout: < london> http://walneybo.blogspot.com/
13:06 #flatout: < london> not a godard in sight
13:06 #flatout: < grant_london> ah thanks
13:06 #flatout: < london> pretty convincing hybrid between godwit and mallard
13:06 #flatout: < grant_london> pretty rare in the uk
13:09 #flatout: < grant_london> so we can thank the Walney Bird Observatory for the observations on 29 August - thank you!
13:10 #flatout: < grant_london> modulation
13:10 #flatout: < london> maybe they're working on a new post right now
13:11 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - or maybe they can't really work in these conditions
13:11 #flatout: < grant_london> is it spatters of rain?
13:12 #flatout: < london> the thing i liked about the camera last night was that it was struggling with lack of information and seemed to be improvising its own patters
13:12 #flatout: < grant_london> or stones blowing?!
13:12 #flatout: < london> patterns
13:12 #flatout: < london> maybe rain
13:12 #flatout: < grant_london> there's a poem by bashō
13:12 #flatout: < grant_london> he goes up a volcano
13:12 #flatout: < london> yep, rain setting in
13:13 #flatout: < grant_london> on the slopes of mt fuji the volcanic gritting is being blown into the air by the high wind
13:13 #flatout: < grant_london> it sounds like hail
13:13 #flatout: < grant_london> quite crispy
13:13 #flatout: < london> maybe thats the pebble effect, or the box
13:14 #flatout: < grant_london> or the thing itself!
13:14 #flatout: < grant_london> the quadruple object, of which only some faces are partially presented
13:16 #flatout: < london> a very different experience, listening to that short spell of rain
13:17 #flatout: < grant_london> very close
13:17 #flatout: < grant_london> with beats
13:17 #flatout: < london> bristly
13:18 #flatout: < london> whereas its quite smooth again now
13:18 #flatout: < london> in comparison
13:18 #flatout: < grant_london> stippled
13:18 #flatout: < london> yeah
13:19 #flatout: < grant_london> with rain, and the remote streams, something always changes: when it's hitting the sensor
13:20 #flatout: < grant_london> sometimes you can hear eg rain on foliage too; but you are reminded of the presence of the sensor in the environment, as a box or whatever
13:20 #flatout: < grant_london> the roofing material
13:20 #flatout: < grant_london> also it's an event
13:21 #flatout: < london> hope we get more rain, back shortly
13:21 #flatout: < grant_london> c u
13:27 #flatout: < grant_london> Pluie
13:28 #flatout: < grant_london> La pluie.. descend à des allures très diverses.
13:28 #flatout: < grant_london> ..
13:29 #flatout: < grant_london> Chacune de ses formes a une allure particulière; il y répond un bruit particulier.
13:30 #flatout: < grant_london> Le tout vit avec intensité comme un mécanisme compliqué, aussi précis que hasardeux,
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13:31 #flatout: < grant_london> comme une horlogierie dont le ressort est la pesanteur d'une masse donnée de vapeur en précipitation.
13:32 #flatout: < grant_london> Pluie - Francis Ponge
13:34 #flatout: < grant_london> Engaging passage with coming and going of rain, birds near and far, intensification of gusts, (un)veiling of windmills
13:36 #flatout: < grant_london> Dense clusters of calls along the waterline as the tide is receding
13:37 #flatout: < grant_london> (other parliament?)
13:37 #flatout: < grant_london> and the IZ extending
13:38 #flatout: < grant_london> Something about energy and resilience
13:40 #flatout: < grant_london> The persistence of mud and water
13:41 #flatout: < grant_london> Their mixing and redrawing through the night when flatout was on standby
13:41 #flatout: < grant_london> waiting for its listeners, its audience to arrive -
13:43 #flatout: < grant_london> We talked about the way the silt particles are produced by weathering and re-deposition to form suspensions and emulsions
13:44 #flatout: < grant_london> A little high pop where the stream cuts out
13:44 #flatout: < grant_london> and comes back
13:46 #flatout: < grant_london> We talked about the way different beaks of different birds evolved over different periods in association with these mudflats and the organisms that live in them
13:47 #flatout: < grant_london> as well as the less weathered pebbles, grits, sands, shingles higher up the spit, where eggs have come to imitate stones etc
13:48 #flatout: < grant_london> We commented that each form of beak could produce a different sound, and could perhaps be heard distributed across different acoustic niches
13:51 #flatout: < grant_london> But it is more useful to think of the whole organism making sounds, it's not just beaks
13:53 #flatout: < grant_london> Here in London it still feels kind of like late Summer but further north it feels like the autumn is under way
13:54 #flatout: < grant_london> which makes you think autumn is under way here too, and the Walney stream, in this way, reveals mechanisms which you can't see directly where you are
13:55 #flatout: < grant_london> as if the Walney stream in its austerity reveals the skeleton and the drivers
13:56 #flatout: < grant_london> there are no trees
13:56 #flatout: < grant_london> the landscape has a scoured quality
13:59 #flatout: < grant_london> a sense that its workings are exposed, perhaps
14:00 #flatout: < grant_london> -- each time you sign out all the writing above is wiped, very like a beach
14:01 #flatout: < grant_london> these are passerines - twites perhaps - close up
14:03 #flatout: < grant_london> a discussion at the ecoacoustics conference in Brisbane about crediting non-humans in environmental performances and field recordings
14:04 #flatout: < grant_london> rasping, broadband sounds off to the left
14:05 #flatout: < grant_london> ~~
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14:06 #flatout: < torb> Jeg hører bare folk og vind
14:06 #flatout: < grant_london> ~ / ~
14:06 #flatout: < grant_london> it s true! very windy
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14:08 #flatout: < grant_london> Noen få fugler
14:08 #flatout: < grant_london> Twites kanskje
14:08 #flatout: < london> lots of different manifestations of the wind
14:09 #flatout: < grant_london> (Linaria flavirostris)
14:09 #flatout: < grant_london> ja!
14:10 #flatout: < grant_london> vindmølle
14:10 #flatout: < grant_london> vindturbiner
14:11 #flatout: < london> vadefugl
14:11 #flatout: < grant_london> surf
14:12 #flatout: < grant_london> mange forskjellige vadefugler - ja
14:14 #flatout: < london> seal cam is nice at the minute
14:14 #flatout: < london> https://www.cumbriawildlifetrust.org.uk/wildlife/cams/seal-cam
14:14 #flatout: < london> seems to be scanning the horizon
14:15 #flatout: < grant_london> Sarah doing the godard thing again
14:19 #flatout: < london> rain!
14:21 #flatout: < grant_london> regn!
14:23 #flatout: < london> forecast seems rain in Svolvær this afternoon too
14:25 #flatout: < grant_london> it s that time of year i guess
14:26 #flatout: < grant_london> rain and wind
14:27 #flatout: < london> is the sound being recorded too?
14:27 #flatout: < grant_london> it's remarkable how responsive the systems can be; two days of wind and rain and if you walk across Ruskin Park there are flocks of thrushes
14:27 #flatout: < grant_london> no
14:28 #flatout: < grant_london> so it could be good to grab the odd clip
14:28 #flatout: < london> can hear more of the birds now
14:29 #flatout: < grant_london> mm it s nice the sense of collective energy sometimes - kind of swirling
14:29 #flatout: < grant_london> In Taoism, which Bashō believed in, the wind is an important symbol representing the basic power that stimulates everything and makes it utter the voice of heaven or of earth. The first half of Nozarishi kikō presents a traveler trying to listen to the voice of earth that lies hidden in everything blown in the autumn wind.
14:29 #flatout: < london> hint of a winged insect in the l channel briefly
14:31 #flatout: < grant_london> mm - so this is as the IZ is being revealed again

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14:32 #flatout: < grant_london> is that right? as the tide is going out
14:33 #flatout: < grant_london> towards low water at 18.27
14:33 #flatout: < grant_london> at Haws Point
14:35 #flatout: < grant_london> mud mechanisms, rain mechanisms, and at some point we could talk about tidal harmonics
14:37 #flatout: < grant_london> tides were predicted until the 1960s using large machines
14:38 #flatout: < grant_london> the machines were designed to combine Fourier equations which expressed the different influences on which the tidal movements depended
14:42 #flatout: < grant_london> Current procedure for analysing tides follows the method of harmonic analysis introduced in the 1860s by William Thomson. It is based on the principle that the astronomical theories of the motions of Sun and Moon determine a large number of component frequencies, and at each frequency there is a component of force tending to produce tidal motion, b
14:42 #flatout: < grant_london> ut that at each place of interest on the Earth, the tides respond at each frequency with an amplitude and phase peculiar to that locality.
14:42 #flatout: < grant_london> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide#Analysis
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15:33 #flatout: < Maria_London> 14:33, Listening In from West Lonfon
15:33 #flatout: < Maria_London> London
15:34 #flatout: < Maria_London> gulls on rear right, persistent wind, a battle of materials and an audible materiality
15:35 #flatout: < Maria_London> occupying my headspace
15:36 #flatout: < Maria_London> I am wondering if the streaming box will stand still, against the blowing wind. everything else around it seems to be moving, stirred, stirring
15:37 #flatout: < Maria_London> flocks of birds, the camera is shacking too
15:37 #flatout: < Maria_London> 14:37pm
15:39 #flatout: < Maria_London> can you hear?
15:39 #flatout: < Maria_London> i am sending in an image from the seal cam. blurry, windy, stirred.
15:39 #flatout: < Maria_London> have you received it?
15:39 #flatout: < Maria_London> is the printer disturbing your listening?
15:40 #flatout: < Maria_London> Am I writing too much?
15:40 #flatout: < Maria_London> I do not know the names of the birds unfortunatelly but your keen, sharp knowledgable ear might shed some light?
15:41 #flatout: < Maria_London> 14:41
15:41 #flatout: < Maria_London> Greetings from London where the wind is shhhsing too
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15:51 #flatout: < london> what were those little chattering things?
15:54 #flatout: < london> whitethroats maybe
15:54 #flatout: < london> of something of a similar size
16:47 #flatout: < grant_london> ah what is that - a wisp blowing in the R channel
16:47 #flatout: < grant_london> like some material caught nearby - quite high and dry
16:49 #flatout: < grant_london> it just appeared. i kind of hope it goes away
16:53 #flatout: < grant_london> it changed - maybe it s my headphones
16:53 #flatout: < grant_london> sometimes it seems very alien - almost unintelligible
16:54 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe the effect of the flattening - in the IZ
16:54 #flatout: < london> could be digital
16:54 #flatout: < london> or a very light thin bit of plastic
16:55 #flatout: < grant_london> it s moved kind of central i think
16:55 #flatout: < london> still to the r for me
16:55 #flatout: < grant_london> for me it reduced to a slight ticking now and again
16:57 #flatout: < grant_london> hm it feels a bit like testing to destruction
16:58 #flatout: < london> metzger
16:58 #flatout: < grant_london> the most extreme conditions
16:58 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
16:58 #flatout: < grant_london> that sound is in both channels i think its a film of plastic like you say
16:58 #flatout: < grant_london> that s blown in
16:59 #flatout: < grant_london> remember that plastic bag in the stork nest?!
16:59 #flatout: < grant_london> what was that!
16:59 #flatout: < grant_london> for crying in a bucket
17:01 #flatout: < grant_london> Ørsted must be happy
17:01 #flatout: < grant_london> (formerly Dong Energy)
17:07 #flatout: < grant_london> listening to remote streams as unlearning exercise
17:09 #flatout: < grant_london> it s sounding more electrical that right channel sound
17:11 #flatout: < grant_london> i hope it's not water damage
17:11 #flatout: < grant_london> say if the slate blew off the roof
17:13 #flatout: < grant_london> we ll see how it goes
17:14 #flatout: < grant_london> the screenshot Maria sent of the seal cam is nice: sort of posterized, with little 'loading' squares in the middle - white blotches - grey bands
17:17 #flatout: < grant_london> 'low tide wandering' (Thomas Schütte)
17:19 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe the capsules on the right side have been damaged and we will need to repair them -
17:19 #flatout: < grant_london> like a lunar mission
17:19 #flatout: < grant_london> or a martian mission
17:21 #flatout: < grant_london> it s an uncompromising introduction to the undercommons
17:21 #flatout: < grant_london> to study
17:38 #flatout: < london> Great Skua and Shag30th August 2019 – overcast/rain soon SW6/7OffshoreEarly morning observations prior to the rain (0700-0800) produced 29 Common Scoter, 23 Gannet, 4 Fulmar, 3 Razorbill and single Shag, Great Skua and Manx Shearwater.Wildfowl and WadersWaders included 2 Greenshank and a Whimbrel.Posted by Walney BO at 16:01
17:39 #flatout: < london> http://walneybo.blogspot.com/
17:44 #flatout: < Maria_London> 16:44 pm
17:44 #flatout: < Maria_London> Listening in from london
17:44 #flatout: < Maria_London> Gull sounds more discreet
17:46 #flatout: < Maria_London> seal cam 16:46
17:46 #flatout: < Maria_London> still hard to stand still, stirring continued
17:47 #flatout: < Maria_London> pixelated like the sounds
17:47 #flatout: < Maria_London> swept over
17:47 #flatout: < Maria_London> interference in right channel
17:48 #flatout: < Maria_London> the wind has started sneaking into the system
17:48 #flatout: < Maria_London> 16:48 end
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20:36 #flatout: < Maria_London> 19:35 contemplative waves
20:36 #flatout: < Maria_London> contrasting the sound of the flocks of parakeets outside my window.
20:38 #flatout: < Maria_London> air traffic
20:39 #flatout: < Maria_London> seal cam 19:39
20:40 #flatout: < Maria_London> waves, facing the sea
20:40 #flatout: < Maria_London> 19:40 end
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21:21 #flatout: < london> seals are mooing sometimes
21:27 #flatout: < grant_london> it sounds like the R channel has been damaged
21:28 #flatout: < grant_london> crackling and hiss
21:30 #flatout: < grant_london> actually its in both channels
21:32 #flatout: < grant_london> i wonder what it is - almost as if damp got into the box but it's hard to work out how that could happen
21:32 #flatout: < grant_london> ah seals
21:36 #flatout: < grant_london> it sounds quite subdued
21:38 #flatout: < grant_london> high tide around midnight will be very high - 10.2 m - sound coming across the exposed foreshore from a distance - the wind has moved around to the left
21:38 #flatout: < london> yes
21:39 #flatout: < london> maybe its just the wind has died down
21:40 #flatout: < london> that wind could have masked the crackling
21:43 #flatout: < grant_london> i remember when it started - it was very marked. then it sort of settled
21:43 #flatout: < london> yes it varies
21:44 #flatout: < london> did you write any more on the undercommons
21:44 #flatout: < london> maybe i missed it
21:44 #flatout: < grant_london> it s a curious sound -
21:44 #flatout: < grant_london> not really
21:44 #flatout: < grant_london> i thought to pick it up another time perhaps
21:45 #flatout: < london> or the commons
21:45 #flatout: < london> commoning
21:45 #flatout: < london> that crackle is sounding quite dolphin esque
21:45 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe we can come back to it
21:47 #flatout: < grant_london> yes it s strange
21:47 #flatout: < london> cow mooing too
21:47 #flatout: < london> seals sound a bit more haunted
21:47 #flatout: < grant_london> they do
21:48 #flatout: < london> gasping for air
21:50 #flatout: < grant_london> i like these sparse passages
21:51 #flatout: < grant_london> they remind me of a performance of Des Canyons aux Etoiles which i heard at Tramway
21:51 #flatout: < grant_london> i think that piece was written in Utah
21:51 #flatout: < london> i like how most of the sounds seem quite liminal
21:51 #flatout: < grant_london> ah yes how do you mean
21:52 #flatout: < london> seals only just detectable, sound remote
21:52 #flatout: < grant_london> like on the edge of something - or between zones
21:52 #flatout: < london> merge with the wind sometimes
21:53 #flatout: < grant_london> ah yes: verging on non audible or verging on merging or being masked
21:53 #flatout: < london> other kinds of drones...
21:54 #flatout: < london> wasn't sure if it was a plane or
21:54 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
21:54 #flatout: < london> something with a raspy voice
21:54 #flatout: < london> what is that
21:54 #flatout: < london> a plane?
21:54 #flatout: < grant_london> kind of a pulse in the left
21:55 #flatout: < london> over to the r, a kind of raspy drone
21:55 #flatout: < grant_london> i think plane but
21:56 #flatout: < london> crackling seems to have subsided
21:56 #flatout: < grant_london> ah that like a squack
21:56 #flatout: < grant_london> yes it s quite strange
21:56 #flatout: < grant_london> back a bit
21:56 #flatout: < grant_london> anyway a new thing to troublshoot
21:57 #flatout: < grant_london> that thing at whitechapel which was say like: we talk all the time about making things, but most of what we are doing or we need to doing is repairing things
21:58 #flatout: < grant_london> these huge gusts - a real sense of mass and heft
21:58 #flatout: < london> Prairie madness
21:58 #flatout: < grant_london> moving stones
21:58 #flatout: < grant_london> yes it makes you kind of woozy
21:58 #flatout: < grant_london> if that is a word
21:59 #flatout: < grant_london> on the left now seems like a kind of little analogue crackle
21:59 #flatout: < Maria_London> gull song and wave circles in synch
21:59 #flatout: < Maria_London> with the wind
21:59 #flatout: < grant_london> to go with the electrical artefacts
21:59 #flatout: < Maria_London> electroacoustic composition (generative)
22:00 #flatout: < grant_london> redshanks
22:00 #flatout: < grant_london> that accelerating rising
22:01 #flatout: < grant_london> it feels like the mobility is quite significant
22:01 #flatout: < grant_london> re 'soundscape' - which sounds quite fixed and static
22:01 #flatout: < grant_london> this seems more fugitive
22:02 #flatout: < grant_london> there is a kind of spectral car radio music every now and again in the left for me
22:02 #flatout: < grant_london> could that be?
22:03 #flatout: < grant_london> of is it phasing or something from the currents passing the mast..
22:04 #flatout: < london> yes i though i heard some pop music coming over
22:04 #flatout: < grant_london> yes!
22:04 #flatout: < Maria_London> 21:04, all lights switched off, focusing
22:05 #flatout: < london> maybe there's a big party in blackpool
22:05 #flatout: < london> yes i like how the camera struggles in low light
22:05 #flatout: < Maria_London> seal cam 21:05
22:06 #flatout: < london> it develops a pulse
22:07 #flatout: < Maria_London> interference returns 21:07
22:07 #flatout: < Maria_London> the wind moves the installation at times causing the hum?
22:07 #flatout: < london> that knocking is a little sinister
22:07 #flatout: < grant_london> then it whited out
22:08 #flatout: < grant_london> yes the rocks move
22:08 #flatout: < grant_london> i think it s heard not just through the air but also through the plinth
22:09 #flatout: < Maria_London> the tide is rising gradually
22:10 #flatout: < Maria_London> the air articulates and is articulated by the materials, an audible materiality
22:12 #flatout: < grant_london> the air seems quite .. non uniform
22:12 #flatout: < grant_london> very active, with varied forms
22:13 #flatout: < grant_london> it does not just act as medium for sounds but it takes them and moves them here and there and perhaps rearranges them
22:15 #flatout: < grant_london> in kind of strands and bunches, braids
22:16 #flatout: < grant_london> then also the scale of the air seems highly unstable, as if sometimes we are listening to sounds within like a tablespoon of air and then all of a sudden a weatherfront arrives
22:17 #flatout: < grant_london> i guess weather systems are arriving off the ocean
22:18 #flatout: < grant_london> fresh off the atlantic, maybe - or is it (just) the Irish Sea - and you can hear them encounter the land - creating this admixture or materials
22:19 #flatout: < grant_london> you can imagine the liminality / the interface at different thicknesses:
22:20 #flatout: < grant_london> it could be the foam windscreens = maybe 12mm thick; and the zone of synthetic fur..
22:21 #flatout: < grant_london> or it could be the IZ itelf as a mobile interface between materials - and which cannot be sorted out and separated
22:21 #flatout: < london> the sounds always seem out to the front, not the back
22:22 #flatout: < grant_london> somewhere in this inability to define / separate / segregate .. an opportunity is created
22:22 #flatout: < london> never behind the listener
22:22 #flatout: < london> just to the front and side
22:22 #flatout: < grant_london> are you useing headphones
22:23 #flatout: < london> yes
22:23 #flatout: < grant_london> me too
22:23 #flatout: < london> at the minute
22:24 #flatout: < grant_london> hey is that recorded music we're hearing or is it an illusion?
22:24 #flatout: < grant_london> like full-on beats
22:24 #flatout: < london> could be live
22:24 #flatout: < grant_london> the seals seem to like it anyway
22:24 #flatout: < london> karaoke caravan
22:25 #flatout: < grant_london> a concert in barrow?
22:25 #flatout: < london> they come in quite low down, to the L
22:25 #flatout: < grant_london> a concert in nova scotia?
22:25 #flatout: < grant_london> a car radio in nova scotia
22:27 #flatout: < grant_london> i m going to eat some spaghetti - i ll listen in a bit later
22:27 #flatout: < london> same
22:27 #flatout: < grant_london> c u l
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23:45 #flatout: < london> choo pweeoo kwee wooowhoo ooo ahwhooooo





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00:53 #flatout: < grant_london> creaking rock
00:53 #flatout: < grant_london> very rapid high modulating chattering squeaking
00:54 #flatout: < grant_london> very dense assembly of fowls
00:54 #flatout: < grant_london> the sea is right at hand
00:54 #flatout: < grant_london> really close and present
00:54 #flatout: < grant_london> washing in waves
00:55 #flatout: < grant_london> the clusters of notes from many waders along the waterline as it approaches the high tide
00:55 #flatout: < grant_london> the exceptionally high tide
00:56 #flatout: < grant_london> the artefacts are subdues - the crackling and snapping like electrical shrimps in the devices
00:56 #flatout: < grant_london> the wind turbines sound like cars dopplering on some distant highway
00:56 #flatout: < grant_london> long curving notes
00:57 #flatout: < grant_london> of some long beaked bird - slurred
00:57 #flatout: < grant_london> short emphatic flight notes up above and around, moving in the dark air
00:58 #flatout: < grant_london> the air which is far from still
00:58 #flatout: < grant_london> far from a medium
00:58 #flatout: < grant_london> far from reliable
00:58 #flatout: < grant_london> far from the rational aether
00:59 #flatout: < grant_london> like a thickening and thinning substance bearing material traces
00:59 #flatout: < grant_london> a long low of cattle
00:59 #flatout: < grant_london> all in night
00:59 #flatout: < grant_london> not only can you not see
00:59 #flatout: < grant_london> another lowing, rising
00:59 #flatout: < grant_london> another rising, slurring lowing
01:00 #flatout: < grant_london> not only that, but this is all transpiring in pitch dark
01:01 #flatout: < grant_london> dark as pitch and full of air in twists and currents moving at different rates
01:02 #flatout: < grant_london> the parliament is in full assembly, really packed, all kinds of species: bovine, avian - classes dissolve - sounding stones, frazzled equipment
01:03 #flatout: < grant_london> the wind has risen and it brings the lowing in thick wet clumps, it seems to you
01:03 #flatout: < grant_london> calling among themselves, the herd is off to the left, coming close along the beach maybe or on the track behind . . . . .
01:04 #flatout: < grant_london> or far off - because distance collapses
01:05 #flatout: < grant_london> flatness is generalized, stripping away hierarchy of objects (Garcia), distributing intensities evenly across the field -
01:07 #flatout: < grant_london> at the same time: distance collapses - creating sudden closeness - as if a cow puts it muzzle to the microphone - but it may be a long way off - because the wind picks up its lowing and dumps it against the microphones
01:07 #flatout: < grant_london> it s 7 after 12
01:08 #flatout: < grant_london> 6 minutes after high water at Haws Point back along the Spit - the second highest tide of this sequence [check] at 1.2m
01:09 #flatout: < grant_london> this is the least extension of the IZ
01:09 #flatout: < grant_london> conversely the IZ is at highest concentration - its sonic materials are compressed into a thin band
01:11 #flatout: < grant_london> its sociability is at a peak - with organisms unseen in the night pressed closely along the tideline and a constant rising and falling of countless voices
01:11 #flatout: < grant_london> that is how it seems
01:12 #flatout: < grant_london> a sense of overload
01:14 #flatout: < grant_london> as if all the sparseness and drawn out separation of these wide spaces - opening across the uncharted intertidal zone - have come together into a very tight assembly
01:16 #flatout: < grant_london> nothing prepares you, perhaps, for the resilience and diversity of organic and material life as it unfolds in time, you think
01:17 #flatout: < grant_london> real time as participating in a process
01:17 #flatout: < grant_london> study
01:21 #flatout: < grant_london> by setting up a microphone and listening you acknowledge or you assign intensities or values
01:22 #flatout: < grant_london> by sharing sounds, by studying the 'wild life of sound' in its fugitive forms and remote locations, you both identify and you establish and acknowledge and intensify:
01:25 #flatout: < grant_london> such a study in real time, which sets up displacements, generates intensities, pays attention to fugitive objects of the IZ
01:27 #flatout: < grant_london> the IZ as a place where the indefine, slippage, mobility, disorientation are starting points for study - which seeks to intensify, not to clarify, rectify, fix or correct them
01:28 #flatout: < grant_london> note lulls
01:29 #flatout: < grant_london> note partilal aporias where other sounds break through: turbines
01:29 #flatout: < grant_london> crashes of surf
01:30 #flatout: < grant_london> whitter and chatter of seabirds low left low right
01:30 #flatout: < grant_london> rattle and clunk of stones low to left
01:30 #flatout: < grant_london> wind everywhere so your head spins
01:31 #flatout: < grant_london> why flat out?
01:32 #flatout: < grant_london> also because: flat out is fast: at full speed
01:32 #flatout: < grant_london> thsi sounds like full speed
01:34 #flatout: < grant_london> as if a clutch engaged a differential and seasonal flows, which were waiting, were set in motion
01:34 #flatout: < grant_london> migration
01:36 #flatout: < grant_london> coming down from the arctic circle, from NO along old routes like caravan routes, cultural trails
01:40 #flatout: < grant_london> it s 37 after midnight you re listening to what sounds like perhaps a thousand or more seabirds communicating in high peeps, twitters, whistles, along with the thrashing of the windmils and the crashing of surf, along with the rattle and clunk of stones on the plinth where the streambox is sitting, perhaps damaged in the R channel or in some othe
01:40 #flatout: < grant_london> r way
01:41 #flatout: < grant_london> it s an area out of reach to human visitors
01:42 #flatout: < grant_london> seals can be heard wailing or moaning or crooning from time to time
01:43 #flatout: < grant_london> all these elements are not really divided but compressed into a dense composite
01:43 #flatout: < grant_london> a thick material
01:45 #flatout: < london> birds seem to be in a frenzy
01:45 #flatout: < grant_london> a plane goes over right to left, pitch up then dropping, diminishing
01:45 #flatout: < grant_london> it s intense right
01:45 #flatout: < grant_london> it s this really high tide
01:46 #flatout: < london> maybe circling high
01:46 #flatout: < london> as well as on the sea
01:47 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - and along the tideline
01:48 #flatout: < london> really distorted by the wind
01:48 #flatout: < grant_london> also seals and before that: cattle
01:48 #flatout: < grant_london> i was trying to think it through: there's kind of a scrambling of distance
01:48 #flatout: < london> like its picked up the calls in a tornado
01:49 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - these cyclonic effects
01:49 #flatout: < grant_london> like a blender
01:49 #flatout: < grant_london> so the whole 3d framework is kind of destabilised
01:50 #flatout: < grant_london> so like it it was a wireframe it d be full of wormholes and vortices
01:50 #flatout: < london> swirling seems more pronounced to the L
01:51 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - and then to the right there s a kind of accordion type thing with the surf and the turbines coming and going
01:52 #flatout: < grant_london> it s a bit like: pre-perspectival
01:52 #flatout: < grant_london> could be a visual analogue maybe: like those medieval paitings where things are all different scales
01:53 #flatout: < grant_london> like the Virgin is huge and there's a tiny castle
01:53 #flatout: < london> sounding also like a train stick-slipping over the rails
01:53 #flatout: < london> a virgin train
01:54 #flatout: < grant_london> of course
01:54 #flatout: < grant_london> you get these kind of spectral effects maybe like i sometimes hear the turbines as a car on a distant highway
01:54 #flatout: < grant_london> i might be getting a bit tired
01:55 #flatout: < london> had no idea birds were this active at night
01:55 #flatout: < grant_london> it s bonkers
01:55 #flatout: < london> much more so than last night
01:55 #flatout: < grant_london> its like the undercommons in full swing
01:55 #flatout: < london> or maybe the wind was making more
01:56 #flatout: < london> masking more
01:56 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - the masked ball of vadefugler
01:57 #flatout: < grant_london> can it be the moon
01:57 #flatout: < london> will have to ask Sarah
01:57 #flatout: < grant_london> because the tide is building up - i think tomorrow is the highest tide.. i ll check
01:57 #flatout: < london> tricky to sleep to this
01:58 #flatout: < grant_london> funny thing is, when you come back from the sea, you don't hear it and the turbulence doesnt' translate across
01:58 #flatout: < grant_london> i think in the coastguard cottages it will be quite cozy
01:59 #flatout: < grant_london> well pretty windy
01:59 #flatout: < grant_london> so each day there are two high tides and two low waters
01:59 #flatout: < grant_london> one is always higher / lower than the other one
02:00 #flatout: < grant_london> today the highest one is 1.2m about Lowest Astronomical Tide
02:00 #flatout: < grant_london> on 2 SEP it will be at 1.3m and after that it will diminish
02:01 #flatout: < grant_london> so there is some kind of peak event going on perhaps
02:03 #flatout: < grant_london> it sounds like a political assembly
02:04 #flatout: < grant_london> vibrant matter for sure
02:04 #flatout: < london> i was about to type, assembly
02:04 #flatout: < grant_london> yes really
02:04 #flatout: < london> excitement of some kind
02:05 #flatout: < grant_london> yes and cross - specific
02:05 #flatout: < grant_london> it seems like everybody is out
02:05 #flatout: < london> similar in some ways to a dawn chorus
02:05 #flatout: < grant_london> milling around
02:06 #flatout: < grant_london> ah yes - perhaps a tidal chorus
02:06 #flatout: < london> a competition
02:06 #flatout: < grant_london> a collaboration?
02:08 #flatout: < london> the songs are less varied than an inland dawn chorus
02:08 #flatout: < london> or calls
02:08 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe new birds are arriving - because i think the big flows are under way and they will be being blown on the wiind
02:08 #flatout: < london> not really songs
02:08 #flatout: < grant_london> mm - more restricted
02:09 #flatout: < grant_london> more of a chorus in the sense of amphibians, with massing
02:09 #flatout: < london> yes it reminded me of frogs
02:10 #flatout: < grant_london> but on the other hand, chicks can famously distinguish key voices in colonies of gulls and gannets..
02:10 #flatout: < grant_london> which sound quite cacophonous to human listeners
02:11 #flatout: < grant_london> probably if slowed down there is more variation for us
02:11 #flatout: < london> wonder what time things will calm down
02:12 #flatout: < london> have to retire for the night
02:12 #flatout: < grant_london> mm - i m not sure i m going to find out - i think i will get some rest
02:12 #flatout: < grant_london> also
02:12 #flatout: < london> till tomorrow
02:12 #flatout: < grant_london> i think as the tide goes out it will become less concentrated
02:13 #flatout: < grant_london> ok - g n
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09:15 #flatout: < london> haven't heard any birds for over a minute.
09:16 #flatout: < london> one very faint call just now.
09:16 #flatout: < london> such a contrast to last night.
13:43 #flatout: < grant_london> now gathering again
13:44 #flatout: < grant_london> just past HW at Haws Point at 12:32 local time UTC +1
13:56 #flatout: < grant_london> this is the lower of the 2 high tides in this daily cycle: at 9.9m
13:59 #flatout: < grant_london> tonight at 00:46 will be highest tide in the current cycle at 10.3m
14:00 #flatout: < grant_london> 00:46 UTC + 1 local time at Haws Point, Cumbria at the base of the Spit
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14:00 #flatout: < grant_london> study will show of the raucous parlement of last night will be repeated
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14:01 #flatout: < grant_london> we had no idea there would be much going on on the Spit in the middle of the night - maybe just turbines
14:02 #flatout: < grant_london> and surf
14:02 #flatout: < grant_london> and wind rattling stones
14:02 #flatout: < grant_london> and occasional artefacts of tranmission
14:02 #flatout: < grant_london> it turned out there was what sounded like a big gathering of different animals
14:03 #flatout: < grant_london> cattle moving up back and forth and hundreds of thousands of birds along the shoreline as the water came up to 1.2 m or maybe higher
14:03 #flatout: < grant_london> with the drive of the wind
14:04 #flatout: < grant_london> it was kind of phantasmal, with clumps of sound whipped around on the wind currents
14:04 #flatout: < grant_london> and the whole space dis arranged
14:04 #flatout: < grant_london> to our ears
14:04 #flatout: < grant_london> but we were pretty tired
14:04 #flatout: < grant_london> so we might be unreliable witnesses
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14:09 #flatout: < grant_london> it was dark
14:10 #flatout: < grant_london> the webcam is down - this is the only connection we have now
14:11 #flatout: < grant_london> that stone has loosened a bit, over time, it sounds like - taking stock of the sensing equipment
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14:12 #flatout: < grant_london> hello walneywanderer
14:12 #flatout: < grant_london> are you listening to the live stream?
14:13 #flatout: < grant_london> http://locus.creacast.com:9001/south_walney.mp3
14:14 #flatout: < walneywanderer> yes, I am listening
14:14 #flatout: < walneywanderer> listening in
14:14 #flatout: < grant_london> ah nice - the wind's gone down a little
14:14 #flatout: < grant_london> but still pretty blowy
14:15 #flatout: < walneywanderer> always windy on Walney : )
14:15 #flatout: < grant_london> yes! it s amazing
14:16 #flatout: < grant_london> we were listening late last night at high tide and there was loads of activity - waders especially
14:16 #flatout: < grant_london> we didn't know they would be active and calling through the night
14:16 #flatout: < walneywanderer> how long are you listening for?
14:17 #flatout: < grant_london> a month!
14:17 #flatout: < walneywanderer> !!!
14:17 #flatout: < grant_london> well i m exagerating a bit
14:18 #flatout: < grant_london> we started on friday - when this show opened in Svolvær in Norway
14:18 #flatout: < grant_london> and we've been listening on an off in a rota
14:18 #flatout: < grant_london> but not all the time!
14:18 #flatout: < walneywanderer> so is there a listening space installed somewhere?
14:19 #flatout: < grant_london> yes exactly: in the old printworks in Svolvær there are speakers in the ceiling playing the stream
14:19 #flatout: < grant_london> and: what we are writing is being printed out as we write
14:19 #flatout: < grant_london> I hope
14:20 #flatout: < grant_london> because you can never be sure but that's the idea
14:20 #flatout: < walneywanderer> so all of this is being printed as we type?
14:21 #flatout: < grant_london> yes: 'flatout' is more of a Raspberry Pi than a person
14:21 #flatout: < grant_london> linked to a dot matrix printer in the space in Svovær
14:21 #flatout: < grant_london> and as we write.. it's printed out
14:21 #flatout: < walneywanderer> n
14:21 #flatout: < walneywanderer> i
14:22 #flatout: < walneywanderer> c
14:22 #flatout: < walneywanderer> e
14:22 #flatout: < grant_london> haha yes
14:22 #flatout: < grant_london> and so over the month.. you know dot matrix printers use a continuous feed of paper
14:23 #flatout: < walneywanderer> yes
14:23 #flatout: < grant_london> which advances on a tractor mechanism using perforations
14:23 #flatout: < grant_london> pretty old skool
14:23 #flatout: < grant_london> so over the month a long log is created .. of listening in
14:23 #flatout: < grant_london> as you said
14:24 #flatout: < walneywanderer> great idea, got to go now but I will tune in again later
14:24 #flatout: < grant_london> at different times - because some of the listeners might be in other timezones
14:24 #flatout: < walneywanderer> happy listening!
14:24 #flatout: < grant_london> for sure - c u l
14:24 #flatout: < grant_london> thx
14:24 #flatout: < walneywanderer> I like the occasional rattles, do you know what that is?
14:25 #flatout: < grant_london> I think it s a stone rocking
14:25 #flatout: < grant_london> in the wind
14:25 #flatout: < london> is there a metal hatch on the lampost?
14:25 #flatout: < london> where the box is?
14:26 #flatout: < london> seem to remember some kind of door
14:26 #flatout: < grant_london> the box is on a concrete plinth which was set up to hold the mast - before the streambox was installed
14:26 #flatout: < london> if so, could be that as well as the pebbles
14:26 #flatout: < grant_london> yes: there s an access hatch at the base of the mast - for an equipment box
14:26 #flatout: < grant_london> you could be right
14:26 #flatout: < london> the power outlet cover
14:27 #flatout: < grant_london> to me it sounds more stone-like that metallic - but i can't tell for sure
14:27 #flatout: < grant_london> glad you like it because it seems to be there to stay
14:28 #flatout: < grant_london> can you identify any of the bird calls?
14:29 #flatout: < london> another walney bird report with delay
14:29 #flatout: < london> Leach’s Petrels and Black Guillemots31st August 2019 – overcast/rain soon/then showers S5/6/7 then W5/4OffshoreEarly morning observations prior to the rain (0700-0800) produced just 10 Common Scoter, 8 Gannet, 3 Manx Shearwater and an adult Black Guillemot. A second period of observations (1100-1200) as the rain cleared to showers and the wind swit
14:29 #flatout: < london> ched added 33 Common Scoter, 15 Gannet, 11 Razorbill, 11 Sandwich Tern, 4 Guillemot, 4 Pintail, 3 Manx Shearwater, 3 Kittiwake, 2 Leach’s Petrel, 2 Fulmar and an Arctic Skua. In addition 3800 Eider and 2 Black Guillemot (adult + juvenile) were off the eastern shore.Grounded MigrantsJust 2 Wheatear were logged.Wildfowl and WadersWildfowl included 32
14:29 #flatout: < london> Wigeon and 3 Shoveler while 300 Turnstone, 7 Greenshank and 3 Black-tailed Godwit were the best of the waders.Posted by Walney BO at 20:26
14:29 #flatout: < london> hmm
14:29 #flatout: < grant_london> ah nice
14:29 #flatout: < grant_london> turnstone i think we were hearing last night
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14:31 #flatout: < grant_london> they could be recent arrivals from Norway - would be quite feasible
14:31 #flatout: < london> Arenaria interpres
14:31 #flatout: < grant_london> sounds like a dry cleaning firm, fair enough
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14:33 #flatout: < london> chattering kind of call
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14:33 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
14:34 #flatout: < grant_london> flatout_log left which is a bit strange
14:34 #flatout: < grant_london> but is back
14:34 #flatout: < london> yes seems to drop out and straight back in sometimes
14:34 #flatout: < london> still can't get over the sound around midnight last night
14:35 #flatout: < london> that swirling
14:35 #flatout: < grant_london> flatout-log is set to restart at midnight, save the log and open a new file
14:35 #flatout: < grant_london> yeah it was pretty wild
14:35 #flatout: < grant_london> i think i made some recordings - i don't know if they will sound like much
14:35 #flatout: < london> i guess walney is always wild but that was something else
14:35 #flatout: < grant_london> really

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14:36 #flatout: < grant_london> i think it justifies the project haha
14:36 #flatout: < london> maybe because the wind wasn't so intense "close up" by the mics
14:36 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe
14:36 #flatout: < london> could hear more detail further out into the field
14:36 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - i am curious to learn what will happen tonight tbh
14:36 #flatout: < grant_london> the highest tide
14:36 #flatout: < grant_london> or if it was a one off occurrence
14:37 #flatout: < grant_london> i'm glad we tuned in! i was half thinking not to
14:37 #flatout: < london> was hard to stop listening
14:37 #flatout: < london> but needed to sleep
14:38 #flatout: < grant_london> hm yes pretty compelling
14:38 #flatout: < grant_london> do you think the show is open today at LIAF?
14:38 #flatout: < london> no idea actually
14:39 #flatout: < grant_london> no me neither
14:39 #flatout: < grant_london> i have some stuff to do so will check in from time to time..
14:39 #flatout: < grant_london> c u in a bit
14:41 #flatout: < london> yep
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18:54 #flatout: < london> seems to be a problem with the locus sonus server
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19:10 #flatout: < grant_london> been checking and seems any server issues are resolved - thanks for keeping an ear on it
19:10 #flatout: < grant_london> kind of an evening chorus on Walney
19:10 #flatout: < grant_london> much calmer than before
19:11 #flatout: < grant_london> more birds in the air - a sense of space opening out, where before the wind was hemming it in
19:13 #flatout: < grant_london> a kind of re occupation of the air, articulated by moving points of sound -
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20:26 #flatout: < london> a shower
20:32 #flatout: < london> no hint of wind
20:33 #flatout: < london> hard surfaces in the foreground
20:33 #flatout: < london> a mixture of stone and plastic
20:34 #flatout: < london> and a little static creeping in
20:34 #flatout: < london> metallic drops
20:36 #flatout: < london> increasing in frequency
20:37 #flatout: < london> becoming more of a texture
20:38 #flatout: < london> the field feels denser
20:38 #flatout: < london> stones rolling in a bucket, with a hint of cow bells
21:11 #flatout: < london> a bass heavy ship passing from L to R
21:13 #flatout: < london> stretches the horizon to the R as it continues
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21:52 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> hia! sorry I've not been around this weekend
21:52 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> just having a little listen now
21:52 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> We can hear seals singing!
21:52 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> and curlew
21:53 #flatout: < SouthWalneyWarde> it's raining a little bit too here at Walney
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23:07 #flatout: < london> tide sounds like it is building from the R. can't hear individual breakers there, just a mass of white noise. very occasional gentle lapping to the L, same area as the seals.
23:08 #flatout: < london> haven't heard a single bird.




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00:53 #flatout: < grant_london> Black-tailed godwit alarm call https://www.xeno-canto.org/487639
00:54 #flatout: < grant_london> kind of a squeaky up then down inflection
00:54 #flatout: < grant_london> one flew over before, I thiink
00:54 #flatout: < grant_london> it s very quiet, compared to last night
00:56 #flatout: < london> still 2 hrs till high tide tho
00:57 #flatout: < london> scuffling on the L on the shingle
00:57 #flatout: < grant_london> ah - i have 00:46
00:58 #flatout: < london> https://tides.willyweather.co.uk/nw/cumbria/walney.html
00:58 #flatout: < grant_london> which would be under an hour?
00:58 #flatout: < london> 1hr 57
01:02 #flatout: < grant_london> wow - the UK hydrographic office predicts high tide at Haws Point at 00:46
01:02 #flatout: < grant_london> while willyweather..
01:03 #flatout: < grant_london> willyweather's maybe at Ramsen dock. but could the difference be so big?
01:05 #flatout: < grant_london> where the scuffling sound is, is there something there which only scuffles sometimes..?
01:09 #flatout: < london> just scuffled to the l, was to the r a minute ago
01:10 #flatout: < grant_london> hmm
01:13 #flatout: < grant_london> after the surf hits, are we hearing the washback of the shingle
01:14 #flatout: < grant_london> of are we hearing a different sound revealed behind
01:16 #flatout: < london> do you have the url for admiralty tide
01:16 #flatout: < london> scuffling to the L
01:20 #flatout: < grant_london> http://www.ukho.gov.uk/easytide/EasyTide/ShowPrediction.aspx?PortID=0439B&PredictionLength=7
01:21 #flatout: < grant_london> does that work? or you can run the prediction from the main site
01:22 #flatout: < london> yeah i'd been looking at arnside on there
01:22 #flatout: < london> thats about 1:47
01:25 #flatout: < grant_london> ah - i was looking for the nearest point to the spit i could find
01:27 #flatout: < london> so this time yesterday was after high tide
01:28 #flatout: < london> wonder if that has any impact on the bird activity
01:28 #flatout: < london> feeding just after high tide
01:29 #flatout: < grant_london> i think around high tide and then after - high water yesterday was predicted for 1 minute after midnight
01:30 #flatout: < grant_london> yes i think as the water recedes and the IZ begins to appear again
01:32 #flatout: < grant_london> but it could have been something else too - to do with the wind
01:32 #flatout: < grant_london> and the hard weather
01:35 #flatout: < grant_london> seal opera
01:38 #flatout: < london> whats that bird with a two note call?
01:38 #flatout: < london> moved off to the L a moment ago
01:38 #flatout: < grant_london> i don t know - really distinctive - we should be able to identify it -
01:39 #flatout: < grant_london> two notes - same pitch roughly
01:39 #flatout: < london> but the first note slides up a bit
01:40 #flatout: < london> sounds like an abbreviated curlew to me
01:41 #flatout: < grant_london> ok - i think i recorded it
01:46 #flatout: < grant_london> HW is .. now
01:46 #flatout: < london> chattering has returned
01:47 #flatout: < grant_london> according to the prediction - which until quite recently was made by these big machines
01:47 #flatout: < grant_london> yes already
01:47 #flatout: < grant_london> very quickly
01:48 #flatout: < grant_london> and cattle
01:48 #flatout: < london> cattle or seal snorting?
01:48 #flatout: < grant_london> ah yes could be
01:49 #flatout: < london> old man snoring
01:49 #flatout: < grant_london> they sound close
01:50 #flatout: < grant_london> sometimes
01:50 #flatout: < london> old man in pain
01:50 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - it feels quite intimate
01:51 #flatout: < grant_london> like in a dormitory or something
01:52 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe there are ethical issues to overhearing these activities
01:54 #flatout: < grant_london> it was so turbulent before, it seems a bit more like wildlife spotting now, more literal
01:54 #flatout: < london> or not hearing
01:54 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
01:57 #flatout: < grant_london> what reaches the microphones is really dependent on the wind
01:58 #flatout: < grant_london> the wind moved left - now suddenly the seals are kind of brought up close
01:59 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe there are all kinds of other sounds of equal intensity out in the field, but the wind doesn't deliver them
02:02 #flatout: < london> temperature differences
02:02 #flatout: < london> as well
02:02 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe the same waders are there as last night but the waves don't reach us
02:02 #flatout: < london> humidity
02:02 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
02:02 #flatout: < london> sometimes sounds like people talking
02:04 #flatout: < london> wind closer to the ground moves slower, apparently
02:06 #flatout: < grant_london> it s quite detailed - the older box was much coarser, i think
02:07 #flatout: < london> a kind of bird swell building
02:07 #flatout: < grant_london> i think that single strong call, quite squeaky, is black-tailed godwit
02:07 #flatout: < grant_london> it is
02:07 #flatout: < london> not quite the tornado of yesterday, but still strange
02:07 #flatout: < london> to the L
02:07 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
02:08 #flatout: < grant_london> flows
02:08 #flatout: < grant_london> and lags
02:09 #flatout: < grant_london> the way the surf still has this embodied energy from all the wind..
02:11 #flatout: < grant_london> the sense of seasonal shifts at a macro level, with big movements of air and large scale migrations setting into motion
02:11 #flatout: < grant_london> and then these little patterns of signalling and grouping, fluctuations in intensity
02:13 #flatout: < grant_london> like a Tinguely
02:13 #flatout: < grant_london> it could be good as a large scale foley performance
02:14 #flatout: < grant_london> in pitch darkness
02:14 #flatout: < grant_london> boxes of gravel..
02:15 #flatout: < london> chattering begins to sound more spectral
02:17 #flatout: < london> hitchcock strings
02:17 #flatout: < grant_london> shoals of sounds
02:18 #flatout: < london> like wind through mesh
02:18 #flatout: < grant_london> it s starting again tho like before - it seems to buld up in loops
02:19 #flatout: < london> so what is going on?
02:19 #flatout: < grant_london> gathering momentum
02:19 #flatout: < london> big groups of x birds flying about?
02:20 #flatout: < london> voices getting whipped up by the wind?
02:20 #flatout: < grant_london> i think lots of birds are coming to the edge of the water as the mud is revealed
02:20 #flatout: < grant_london> flying in in groups
02:20 #flatout: < london> sound pretty high
02:20 #flatout: < grant_london> and also rising and falling - making contact
02:21 #flatout: < london> wonder how many
02:21 #flatout: < london> sounds like hundreds
02:21 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe they have actually been roosting somewhere else? and now the mud is being uncovered they arrive
02:22 #flatout: < grant_london> or more maybe
02:22 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe they call to stay int contact in the dark
02:25 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe the changes in sound quality allow them to judge height - as you were saying
02:26 #flatout: < london> bit like bats
02:27 #flatout: < grant_london> yes
02:29 #flatout: < london> makes me think of smoothies
02:29 #flatout: < grant_london> blenders
02:29 #flatout: < london> in the blender
02:29 #flatout: < london> yes
02:29 #flatout: < grant_london> 'but will it blend?'
02:29 #flatout: < london> lots of little bird voices being blended
02:30 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe it like a beacon, i was wondering
02:30 #flatout: < london> also rotational mechanics
02:32 #flatout: < grant_london> if they collect and all call together maybe it allows others to find them - maybe even migrants arriving much higher - seems quite fanciful
02:32 #flatout: < london> begins to get really distorted
02:32 #flatout: < london> with the gusts
02:33 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - it gets out of sequence
02:33 #flatout: < grant_london> and just mashed up
02:34 #flatout: < london> bit like cars passing at high speed, doppler ish
02:34 #flatout: < grant_london> it has this political quality, it seems to me
02:34 #flatout: < grant_london> something about the sheer numbers
02:34 #flatout: < london> crunchy!
02:35 #flatout: < grant_london> something eathing crackers
02:35 #flatout: < grant_london> the numbers and the sense of assembly under cover of darkness in a remote location
02:36 #flatout: < london> what was that snarking thing
02:36 #flatout: < london> to the L
02:36 #flatout: < grant_london> coordination with the tides
02:37 #flatout: < london> maybe a fox
02:37 #flatout: < grant_london> this is the thing that has been there all along
02:37 #flatout: < london> sounded bit different
02:37 #flatout: < grant_london> it only eats crackers from time to time
02:37 #flatout: < london> more light footed
02:37 #flatout: < grant_london> to keep a low profile
02:41 #flatout: < london> funny how individual voices occasionally slip out of the mix
02:41 #flatout: < london> into the foreground
02:42 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - although it is this kind of fluid foreground i guess
02:43 #flatout: < grant_london> with sounds moving through these vortices and appearing somewhere esle - maybe right up close
02:44 #flatout: < grant_london> somebody suggested the rocking rock was actually the door of the equipment box at the base of the mast
02:45 #flatout: < grant_london> it doesnt sound like metal though
02:45 #flatout: < london> stones rocking now
02:45 #flatout: < grant_london> a lot
02:47 #flatout: < grant_london> do you think, overall, it actually sounds quite like when you're there, listening in the wind
02:47 #flatout: < grant_london> the agitation
02:48 #flatout: < london> the physical assault is missing
02:48 #flatout: < london> the hide would be rocking
02:48 #flatout: < grant_london> for sure
02:49 #flatout: < london> we can't be there tho
02:50 #flatout: < london> when r people allowed down, high or low tide
02:50 #flatout: < london> i think when there the head is moving around much more
02:51 #flatout: < london> maybe easier to map the changes in a more limited field
02:51 #flatout: < grant_london> what i think i like is the way it kind of: displaces the listener as the centre of a stable arrangment
02:51 #flatout: < london> without the added head/body movement in the mix
02:51 #flatout: < grant_london> it s like: you re there and not there
02:52 #flatout: < grant_london> in that sense, it s kind of like a blender models
02:52 #flatout: < grant_london> 3d model
02:53 #flatout: < grant_london> in which you are not centered
02:53 #flatout: < grant_london> your location feels more abstract
02:53 #flatout: < london> stereo arrangement puts listener in the centre
02:54 #flatout: < grant_london> ah well but does it
02:54 #flatout: < grant_london> that s what i ve been wondering
02:55 #flatout: < grant_london> it feels to me like those conventions are kind of loosened
02:55 #flatout: < grant_london> by turbulence
02:56 #flatout: < grant_london> by these effects of swirling and unexpected effects of proxmity / dstance
02:56 #flatout: < grant_london> it feels like some kind of perceptual untethering
02:57 #flatout: < grant_london> like when the balloon goes up in the first part of Andre Rublev
02:58 #flatout: < grant_london> it starts to feel like ..
02:59 #flatout: < grant_london> maybe the arriere pays term is useful
02:59 #flatout: < grant_london> this middle ground - which contracts and expands
03:01 #flatout: < london> something about stereo and the 'spatialisation of thought and experience'
03:01 #flatout: < grant_london> i don t know - i guess this is the promise of the IZ - some kind of radical indetermincy
03:01 #flatout: < london> acoustic subjectivity
03:02 #flatout: < grant_london> well we can study it
03:02 #flatout: < grant_london> what kiinds fo subjectivites the IZ can offer
03:03 #flatout: < grant_london> perhaps not so cut and dried
03:03 #flatout: < london> 'a stable position from which the entire world is available to be heard'
03:03 #flatout: < grant_london> yes! is exactly what is at stake: the disruption of that
03:04 #flatout: < grant_london> to what extent ykes!
03:04 #flatout: < grant_london> to what extent that kind of colonial configuration
03:05 #flatout: < grant_london> can be disturbed
03:06 #flatout: < grant_london> unlearned even - by being exposed (subjected) to this kind of thing
03:07 #flatout: < grant_london> formal flattening etc
03:07 #flatout: < grant_london> blending
03:07 #flatout: < london> probably always a bit of a mix between disruption and reinforcement
03:07 #flatout: < grant_london> windmills moving around
03:08 #flatout: < grant_london> i agree - it kind of oscillates maybe..
03:09 #flatout: < grant_london> it s getting kind of late i think i mgiht get some rest
03:09 #flatout: < london> way overdue yes
03:09 #flatout: < london> seems to be calming down a little- the blender
03:09 #flatout: < london> not the wind
03:10 #flatout: < london> the chattering in the blender
03:10 #flatout: < london> not sure actually
03:10 #flatout: < london> anyway, check in later
03:10 #flatout: < grant_london> yes - or drawing further away - i guess it spreads our at the foreshore opens up
03:10 #flatout: < grant_london> g n
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10:41 #flatout: < london> no voices
10:42 #flatout: < london> raging wind
10:42 #flatout: < london> burst of gulls
10:46 #flatout: < london> Low key start to the month 1st September 2019 – sunny spells W5/6 OffshoreEarly morning observations (0700-0800) produced 400 Common Scoter, 8 Gannet, 4 Sandwich Tern, 2 Razorbill and single Arctic Skua, Kittiwake, Guillemot and Red-throated Diver.Grounded Migrants Just 2 Chiffchaff and single Willow Warbler and Wheatear were logged.Wildfowl and Wa
10:46 #flatout: < london> ders Waders included 16 Greenshank.Miscellaneous A total of 32 Little Egret were the best of the rest.Butterflies and Moths A total of 53 moths of 15 species were attracted overnight with immigrants involving Dark Swordgrass and Silver Y.Posted by Walney BO at 20:45 http://walneybo.blogspot.com/
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14:39 #flatout: < london> around 20 minutes after high water
14:41 #flatout: < london> gulls sounding sires
14:42 #flatout: < london> sirens
14:46 #flatout: < london> frenzy of activity post high tide becoming familiar.
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14:55 #flatout: < london> hi sarah?
14:55 #flatout: < CumbriaWildlifeT> No it's Charlotte in Marketing. Just taking a listen to South Walney. Sounds windy.
14:55 #flatout: < london> ah hi Charlotte
14:55 #flatout: < london> how's your bird id?
14:56 #flatout: < CumbriaWildlifeT> Terrible.
14:56 #flatout: < london> same as mine then
14:56 #flatout: < london> just trying to figure out what the really chattery calls are
14:57 #flatout: < london> we've found that there's an usually frenzy of activity around 15 mins after high tide
14:58 #flatout: < london> it's very interesting to listen to at night
15:22 #flatout: < CumbriaWildlifeT> Our reserves manager passed by my desk and said he could hear gulls, not very specific though!
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